To follow up, are you still planning to vote for Trump, knowing that his administration purposefully instituted a policy meant to harm children and families for deterrent purposes?
You don’t have to swim the river at the checkpoints.
If there was a wall, than there would be no point swimming the river and the immigrants wouldn’t drown trying to cross the border illegally.
Obama has a strong border policy. It seems to me that you really don’t have much of a country if you don’t have strong borders. If we had strong borders and illegal crossing was an assured failure, they wouldn’t keep trying. You wouldn’t have these caravans and the humanitarian crisis.
What blame do we lay on the Democrats for causing this crisis by their insistence on porous borders?
The Democrats never said there wasn’t a crisis? They were always offering the funding to fix it?
Then you either watched the Democrats pass numerous funding bills and then forgot about it, or you missed the fact that the Democrats passed numerous funding bills. It was not the Democratic Congress that held up funding – they passed bipartisan-agreed bills as they were always planning to. It was the White House and Senate, which did nothing with those previously-agreed-upon funding bills that Congress passed, that prevented the funding from reaching border security end-users.
A wall is not an insurmountable barrier. In fact, compared to the long and perilous journey most migrants face, a wall is a relatively trivial obstacle.
I have no problem with “strong borders”, and neither do the Democratic candidates, from what I’ve seen. It’s the definition of “strong border” that we disagree upon.
And I see no reason to believe that there’s any realistic way to make illegal crossing “an assured failure” on a thousand-mile-plus long border.
I see no evidence of this. The “crisis” (which is not really a crisis, IMO) is caused by terrible conditions in their home countries, mostly in Central America, that force people en masse to go elsewhere to avoid deadly violence. These conditions are exacerbated by the Trump administration’s attempts to reduce aid and assistance to these countries. Trump is making this “crisis” worse by his policies.
Migration ebbs and flows based on those conditions. If we want to reduce migration levels, we should put a high priority on assisting Central American countries in improving conditions.
Oh yes, absolutely. This whole thing exists because of obstructionist Democrats. My vote is not dependent on this issue. I’m just absolutely opposed to the socialist leftists.
Socialism is worse than fascism if you go by 20th Century body count. Anybody that calls themselves Socialist or espouses the philosophy is worse than a Nazi, IMO.
You are conflating the caravans and illegal border crossers. There’s very little overlap between these two groups. People in the caravans typically legally present themselves at the border to request asylum. Building a wall will not stop the caravans.
Once again showing that we live on entirely different planets, with entirely different histories, and apparently no possibility of rational discussion or debate.
What funding Bill did the Democrats pass that would fixed the problem?
I just checked. The DHS says on their website that walls are extremely effective.
Yeaaah, a definition of strong border that does not include “very difficult to cross illegally,” is an interesting concept.
North Korea can do it. Why would it be so tough?
Through June the number arrested trying to cross the border illegally is already higher than it has been for the full year for any of the past five years.
You believe that western civilization has created a power hieararchy that perpetuates white male dominance. Capitalism as set up is crooked game that primarily benefits the rich and the powerful. This group maintains an outsized and irresponsible large share of the rewards of civilization basically by exploiting everyone else. There is no reason why we should not be living in a society that is more fair and redistributive, by taxing those who have befitted the most. Not only does there need to be a strong safety net, but society should be capable of providing the goods and services needed to provide quality of life to all its citizens.
The primary obstacle to achieving this is the resistance of those benefitting from the current set of circumstances who wish to maintain their position of unfair advantage. Identity politics is a way of uniting minorities, giving them power, making them aware of their disparities and giving them the means to do something about it. While few are openly racist, racism and particularly white nationalism is a tool that the current power hierarchy uses to maintain their power. Calling this out, and bringing it to the light is the first step to eradicating it.
Corporations and the wealthy primarily work to protect themselves and create profits. When they operate in areas that are public trusts like healthcare, education, prisons, etc. they are exploitive and inefficient, and at the best they only serve their own leaving those most in need unserved. For this reason they belong in the public not the private sector.
I think that’s your world. What you believe. How did I do?
Not funny indeed to ignore the difference. It is clear that the effort here is to equate 2 very different approaches in a fallacious effort to make them look the same.
Sounds still better than a government guided by rulers that grabs the idiot, bigoted, crazy and lying balls at the same time.
Ooh, so the difference between Democratic Socialism and Socialism is that Democratic socialists don’t necessarily believe that the government should Immediately take control of all ALL aspects of the economy.
Well that is a comfort. They don’t all want to take over everything immediately.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Neo Nazis aren’t that scary either. Not all of them want to gas all the jews immediately.
I’m so relieved.
All that just to show all that you continue to ignore that currently the Republicans in power are also happy to become the caricatures that even I do agree were not very fair representations of most Republicans up to the recent past.
Besides dialing up a lot in your attempts at making your opposition as hateful as Nazis, I have to remind you what the current administration thinks about the Neo Nazis.
Yes, and the Democrats accused him of being a George Wallace era racist, the NYT called him aracist, and I don’t recall Obama or Biden coming to his defense, And then they went after Mitt Romney and called him a racist, and you didn’t see any Democrats defending him. Every Republican of note has to deal with the constant accusations. This thread is evidence that the normal thinking among the left that it is ok to think that all Republicans are racist and founded on racism.
The last thing any. Democrat anywhere today has any right to expect is for a Republican to defend them from being maligned.
You guys are openly comparing Trump to Hitler, the only person in this thread to even question the premise that Republicans aren’t all racist has been Bone.
“Hey, we’ve been making up mean lies and shit about them for decades, where do they get off all of a sudden not defending us from bad rhetoric?”