What did you do with the ashes?

I’ve got two stories, well, actually three. (Four, if you consider my pets, but we don’t need to go into that now)

(1) This is the funniest story, IMHO.

Way back when, my first Internet playground was AOL. I belonged to an area of AOL for writers, called “The Amazing Instant Novelist.” I started out as a chat host in the Instant Cafe, and eventually weaseled my way into the Humor Department.

In Real Life, one “adventure” Mr VOW and I suffered through was owning rentals. Oh, the war stories we have about being landlords!

One of our renters moved in with her two kids, and for various reasons she ended up going to Bakersfield to live with her mom. She left the house with a nightmare full of “stuff,” and of course the place desperately needed cleaning. I hired a cleaning team to come in and shovel the place out, and make it fit for habitation.

The owner of the cleaning service called me, and said they found something, what did I want to do? Seems the lady left her husband behind. He was dead, of course.

I went over to the house, and the cleaning team had put the box with his cremains in a plastic trash bag, and set it in the driveway. The box had tipped over, so Dead Husband had lost a little weight. I didn’t feel right setting him out to the curb on trash day, so I took him home with me.

The lady never got in touch with me, and she left no contact information. Dead Guy sat on a shelf in my garage for years.

I mentioned the crazy (and slightly macabre) story to the manager of the Humor Department of the area where I worked in AOL. He was a hilarious character. He said, “We need to have a contest! Best use for a Dead Guy’s ashes. Winner gets: the Dead Guy’s ashes!”

Oh. My. God!!!

Most of the entries began, “If the guy liked to do…” I never knew the guy. I had no idea what he liked or disliked. A good portion suggested using him for fertilizer. One suggested mixing him with the powder used to mark lines on athletic fields. And we all laughed long and hard when someone said, “Fill an empty wine bottle with the ashes, then turn the bottle into a lamp. He can stay half-lit all the time!”

My favorite was to send him to Africa and make MREs for cannibals.

I forget who “won” the contest. We never received contact information from the winner, so the ashes went back into my garage. A friend of my sister decided to take responsibility for him. She researched his name, and never really located any family. So she took him to Lake Tahoe, where her family had a huge gathering for Thanksgiving. He had a place at their table, and they included him in their conversations. After the meal, the family took the ashes out and scattered them over the lake.

(2) Personal story. Both my parents decided to be cremated. Daddy had retired after twenty years in the Air Force, so we always knew where their final resting place would be. When Momma died, Daddy said either my sister or I should pick her up from the funeral home, and keep the box with her in it. He did not want the responsibility for it. Then, after he passed away, we could have one memorial service for the two of them, and have them placed together in the columbarium at the National Cemetery. Mr VOW and I made all the arrangements at the funeral home for Momma. At that time (1998), California had determined that cremains were not to be considered as something to be discarded as an afterthought. Preparing and placing a person in a casket, or cremating someone and depositing the cremains in a box or urn, the handling mortuary prepared a form. Whatever the final disposition, the form needed to be presented at the cemetery in order to beburied or inurned. I don’t know the details for scattering, except formal permission was necessary, and the form was needed for that. When Mr VOW and I picked up Momma, I told the funeral director to place the form inside the little velvet bag holding the box of cremains.

Daddy died ten years and one month after Momma. When Mr VOW and I went to the same mortuary to make arrangements for Daddy, we brought along Momma, for they were now together again. The director asked for Momma’s form, and I said it was in the bag with her. The director was very grateful, because regenerating that form was a gigantic pain in the butt.

Daddy had a military funeral with full honors. The ceremony was very touching.

A few weeks went by, and Mr VOW and I went to the cemetery to visit Momma and Daddy. I was taking deep breaths to settle myself, so I wouldn’t break down and cry when I saw their names on the marker.

No, I didn’t cry. I yelled. I swore.

Daddy joined the Army Air Corp during World War Two. He stayed in the military, in what became the US Air Force. When he stopped flying, the AF sent him to IBM, to be trained in those new-fangled things, computers. By the time he retired in 1963, he was working on the launch computers at Vandenberg Air Force Base.

Well, that’s what we THOUGHT he did. The marker at the National Cemetery had his name correct, and his rank, then said “WW2. KOREA. VIETNAM.”

And “US ARMY.”

WHAT?

It was fixed. And somewhere, Momma and Daddy were laughing!

(Note to @Beckdawrek : see what I mean about the Whammy?)

(3) Mr VOW and I have given some thought to the future. When we first moved out to our property in AZ, we stayed in a dinky little travel trailer. One morning, the County Assessor knocked on our door and asked Mr VOW where the house was.

The two of them talked for a bit, and Mr VOW explained we were still in the “works in progress” stage. Mr VOW also mentioned this would be our last home, and he expected to be buried on this land. The Assessor said, “Yeah, you could do that.”

He had never mentioned that to me. I thought about it, and I rather liked the idea. I’m not too crazy about the idea of cremation, so I figured we could be placed in a hole, cover it up, problem solved. A bit more thinking, and I realized we’d need at least a concrete grave liner. Having grandchildren tripping over large hollows where the ground settled is rather tacky. Plus damn near all the wildlife out here DIGS. With that settled in my mind, I looked to the legal requirements. To dedicate part of our 36 acres to a family cemetery, we need the entire cemetery land to be surveyed, and then a parcel map drafted, filed, and accepted by the county. I’ve done enough engineering and drafting in my life, and this is something that would require a couple thousand, if not more. Plus it would take quite a bit of time. If someone is getting close to breathing his last, you don’t start looking up private surveyors in Yelp and ask if they map private cemeteries.

Mr VOW and I talked it over. I said while we could do that, I don’t see the expense of a private cemetery as “improving” the property. In fact,the cemetery could very well reduce the value, because people may not be interested in buying land with dead people interred. Our goal is to leave the property to our kids. They both love the area almost as much as we do. Ideally, we’d want them to keep the land, use it for a vacation home, or perhaps even retire there. We realize, though, that you never know what great big pile of problems will dump on you next. And we give them the property (which I hope to have paid off in a few years) with no strings–if they need the money, sell it and split it between the two of them.

Many apologies to any who fell asleep reading that. Go get another cup of coffee, and sieze the day!

~VOW

Thanks! This whole story is hysterically funny.

this is why i lean toward compost. y’all could be composted and then a grove of favourite trees.

i’m going with compost, add in cat ashes, put into planters, those who want can choose a dogwood or pussy willow to go into the planter. easy peasy.

@rocking_chair

Lovely idea. Just DON’T do it in California until you know what the paperwork will entail.

Composting Great Aunt Tilda isn’t really a do-it-yourself, home project. And a licensed composting business which deals with human remains would absolutely be required to feed the governmental paperwork monsters.

~VOW

luckily, california is a compost state.

California to Allow Composting of Human Remains (webmd.com)

My parents ashes are interred at the cemetery. They had purchased the lots 20 years earlier and planned traditional burials.

They changed their minds and wanted cremation.

I never saw the urns and didn’t want to handle them.

I was very tempted to have Dad’s urn engraved “Abby Normal.” He was a huge Mel Brooks fan.

@VOW, very entertaining. And a belly laugh.

But it’s not so bad living where folks are buried. In fact it’s real quiet out there. Deathly quiet, you might say.:grimacing:

The process is a bit daunting. I just let Mr. Wrek do his thing and paid no attention. (He did it legal, I have papers)
So far he has 3 relatives out there. Old twin Aunts and an Uncle.
When my Daddy died he said he’d dig him a hole.
I declined. He needed his military honors as well.
And I certainly will not be out there. Not on your life.(oops)

One thing, graveside services are really short. Chiggers are remorsless. And Bigfoot may be lurking.

My parents’, and Shamus the cat’s, ashes are in a glass fronted curio cabinet that I purchased shortly before Linden and Poe were ready to be taken home from their breeders. I figured that two rambunctious kittens and urns on the mantel would be a recipe for disaster, and has proven to be foresight given how often Poe climbs up there.

I learned after Mom died that I am actually horrified by the idea of spreading a loved one’s ashes, which wasn’t something that I knew about myself before then.

Why does it horrify you? I’m just curious. If you’d rather not reply, I understand.

I wouldn’t say that I would be horrified spreading cremains. No, I would be horrified even touching the cremains.

To my way of thinking, such an act would be almost a violation, like repositioning a corpse.

No. Just, no.

~VOW

When I had to do it for my mom, it was in water up to my knees and I had never seen, much less held, a bag of cremains. Being it was also my mother, there was a bit more weight to the situation. I was not comfortable (but not horrified, either), but Dad was there, along with a number of their friends, watching me, so there was no backing out. I did not touch the cremains - she was simply in a plastic bag that was inside a plastic (temporary) urn, and I simply gently rotated my arms as I poured her into the water, shook out the bag and crumpled it up to put in my pocket. After a few moments, alone, I returned to the beach.

When I repeated the ceremony for my dad three years later at the same spot, it was just my wife and me - she took a few photos, which capture in totality how I remember the process for both of them.

  1. When I die, I want to be scattered throughout Disneyland.
  2. I don’t want to be cremated.

My wife’s are on the mantelpiece.

She (and I) wanted our adult daughter to have access to them. I would have preferred the columbarium at our church, but our daughter (who lives with me) didn’t think that was access enough. She doesn’t do anything with them, but I think she finds comfort in the ashes being there, if that makes sense, and I’m okay with that.

My dad’s are on a shelf in his brother-in-law’s place, between a Harry Potter wizarding hat and a baseball my uncle caught at a Cubs game. I don’t think that’s a permanent place, but it’s more my mom’s call than mine or my sister’s, and she hasn’t settled on someplace else yet.

Yes, I can see that. I didn’t actually touch my Dad’s cremains, either. But i really didn’t think of the ashes as being bits of bone either. Like it wasn’t really him - it was just a symbol.

I was reading along innocently when it occurred to me that I have five sets of cremains in my house at the moment (two human and three pets). It didn’t seem creepy until I typed it out.

My SIL had distributed some of her father’s cremains in the woods on the family property and some at a favorite private natural park. She still has about half left. This weekend we visited the cemetery where his parents and grandparents are buried. Next time she goes, she plans to leave some of the cremains near the 4 headstones.

When i spread my parents ashes it felt very respectful and emotionally satisfying. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Also, now their remains are safe from any form of desecration, as they quickly became indistinguishable from the nearby soil.