None of those listed. I can’t think why anyone would even bother.
Salvia is kind of terrifying. I tried it once, and it was kind of like a 10 minute, very paranoid LSD trip. I remember misinterpreting what other people in the room were saying and thinking they were all making fun of me. From what I’ve heard from people who actually use them, bath salts are like a cheaper and more intense version of meth. They last all day and are not very similar to salvia at all.
I kind of hate when hippie-type folks say “Everyone should do drugs. They’re great! If you don’t do drugs, you’re really missing out! Except for heroin and crack ewwwwww.” Well, I was addicted to heroin for two years, on and off, and it more or less ruined my life. I lost my apartment, my car and my job either because of things I did or the junkies around me. But I also experienced some of the most breathtaking, beautiful highs ever. I regret the extent that it got to, but not the decision to try it in the first place. I’m not going to go around saying everyone should do heroin, or LSD, or pot. That would be irresponsible and stupid. If someone honestly has no interest in drugs, that is totally fine with me, and they can live a totally fulfilling life without ever altering their brain chemistry and risking the things that I risked.
It seemed like a good idea at the time.
I am generally a cheerful fellow, and so far my life has held far more good than bad. I’ve had wonderful times, both intoxicated and sober. I’ve rocked out on stage, I’ve held newborn babies and marveled at the miracles of life, I have made love to a beautiful woman on a bed of fragrant pine needles during a perfect full moon. I have been joyful with a shout and I have been joyful in silence.
However, the most completely, euphorically happy and comfortable in my own skin I have ever been is while enjoying mushrooms in good company. Preferably on or near the beach, with some orange juice to drink and colored lights to watch. There is a feeling that I get from shrooms that I can only describe as knowing - to the bottom of my soul - that I am the most perfect creature in god’s creation, and so is everyone else.
I have not done them often (unlike, say, alcohol and weed), but I treasure the memory of every time I did.
I would never encourage anybody to do drugs. Leaves more for me.
Some of you all may have clicked on threads describing seeing colors while listening to music…or seeing numbers as colors, or experiencing touch as sounds. Do some dope and you may be there. I say “may” be because getting high doesn’t have a flight plan.
Being high can open doors to vistas you didn’t know you couldn’t see. And once you’ve muscled a door of understanding open it never completely closes shut again.
For those who find the hallucinations brought on by acid, shrooms, etc terrifying, I have a suggestion. Maintain a tiny corner of your mind where you remember that you are doing it for enjoyment. Works for me. “OMG the ceiling is undulating!!!” “oh, wait. . .that’s a good thing.”
Can’t speak for everyone, but the terror may result not so much from seeing a ceiling ripple, from reaching a point where the terms “ceiling” and “undulating,” along with related concepts like “me” and “not-me” and “time” and “space” are completely obliterated for what could very well be an eternity that the Entity Formerly Known as Me doesn’t remember signing up for.
Only illegal substance I ever did was nitrous. (Maybe… is it actually a controlled substance?) Took a deadhead friend to see GD, who bought me a balloon of nitrous from some hippies. Fun and pretty safe, but never did it again. I’ve been interested in psychedelics, but never have bothered to try them. Considering that many of my friends use, I’m kind of surprised that I’ve never taken the plunge with anything.
Now, legal substances… I was stupidly addicted to nicotine for a long while (started with cloves, ended up a 2-pack-a-day smoker subsisting on Lucky Strike unfiltereds and Newport 100s), and have a way-too-chummy relationship with alcohol.
I’ve always thought the effects of weed are similar to that of nitrous. Of course nitrous wears off in seconds, and paranoia and munchies don’t seem as much an issue… At least when I’m at the dentist. Then again, I’m always paranoid at the dentist.
Listen, I’m the kind of guy who doesn’t even like to be given anesthesia at the doctor’s office because it takes away my conscious control. And that’s when I have a medical need. So I definitely won’t take anything to alter my brain function voluntarily.
I have a real phobia – I admit, that’s what it is – of messing up my mind.
But, if you are able to maintain just a teeny, tiny, pea sized speck of you, than watching all that stuff going on is incredible. I’ve heard.
It’s better than that. I could control time, make it flow faster and slower at will, while on acid. It was awesome.
Only alcohol and nicotine for me. And now its been 8 years with no nicotine and almost 24 with no alcohol.
Today it’s just chocolate and ice cream.
The thing is, you’re lumping them all in together. I’d say marijuana is less like playing chicken with a freight train than drinking. And you’re not going to prison for trying marijuana any more than you are for jaywalking. Decide whatever is best for you, but at least try to base it on a sound rationale.
Think harder.
And I totally get this.
Amen.
But I get why someone might find this too risky.
But I have a question to those who find it too much of a legal risk. If a friend, in a totally controlled situation, say, a small get together with trusted people and maybe a “trip guide”, would it be the potential for being caught and dealing with the law be what keeps you from trying? (Assume it’s something relatively mild with low likelihood for abuse, like pot or ecstasy.)
Bath salts are unscheduled stimulants, sold under a thin pretense as bath salts.
Do you have a cite for this murder? I ask because several “bath salt murders” like the cannibal in Florida were proven by toxicology testing to not be true(the cannibal had only THC in his system).
That’s what you call some mean-munchies! :eek:
This. So much this. (Well, not so much the “perfect creature in god’s creation” part.) I’m slightly ashamed to admit that I ticked all but two of the boxes, (and quite a bit fell under “other”) but I would trade all of it in a heartbeat for the handful of experiences I’ve had with some good shrooms, in a good natural setting, with good friends.
I know it sounds extremely cheesy and idealistic, but I honestly believe that the world would be a better place if more people had at least one experience with some good shrooms. If anyone has the opportunity and is on the fence, I’d highly encourage them to do it, specially if it’s in the right setting. That is one “drug” that has the unique propensity to filter away so many limiting preconceptions, and allows you to see things more clearly than is possible when you’re preoccupied and limited by the day-to-day bullshit that usually clouds the mind. And, yeah, I know you probably can’t understand that without having actually experienced it.
And that’s where I have to agree wholeheartedly with the people protesting the lumping of everything into the same “it’s all drugs, and it’s all bad” category. I can understand objecting to and totally abstaining from highly refined and possibly deadly substances, or things that can only be created in a lab. But when you’re talking about something found in nature that’s completely unadulterated, and you brand it with the same disdain and simplistic “all drugs are bad m’kay” label that’s also used for genuinely nasty stuff like meth and such, that’s just plain old fashioned ignorance - sorry to say.
(OMG, it’s been waaay too long - I just realized how much I could really use some shrooms in my life right now!)
None.
Tried mushrooms and weed once. I am not a smoker so I could only take a couple of puffs before I started coughing. The mushrooms were very pleasant and not at all psychotic. Still, it was a grad school experiment and I don’t feel any guilt from it.
You guys would still vote for me if I run for Congress, right ?