Quite a bit actually. When one of the guys, who I considered was very moderate (and is a friend of mine who I am still in contact with), tells me that Spain needs to be returned to Islamic rule because it was once Islamic, I tend to believe concepts like Dar al Islam/ Dal al Harb are real in Muslim minds.
Watching local TV (local to the mid-east) and watching imams spout utter non-sense, but non-sense that confirms my interpretation, not the one you are presenting here.
Color me skeptical. That Mecca was polytheistic, and that they are the polytheists/unbelievers referred to in 2:191, is not controversial.
Were that not the case, later verses like 9:1-7, where Muhammad gives his followers the terms of a treaty negotiated between him and the polytheists/unbelievers at al-Masjid al-Haram (the Great Mosque in Mecca) make no sense - plainly, he’s talking about the war with Mecca.
I can’t really speak to unstated, unsourced claims you may have heard, except to note that Dar al Islam and Dal al Harb don’t appear in the Quran, but are later political inventions.
Political inventions with a firm foundation from the Quran.http://www.khilafah.com/understanding-dar-al-kufr-a-dar-al-islam/
What I have ‘heard’ supports my interpretation rather than what some apologist might have written that you think is a valid source, but is more likely to support your idea of what is real. I didn’t go to the Middle East with any pre-conceived notion of what to expect but formed my opinion on what I physically saw and experienced.
How firm can the support be when predominantly Muslim countries have a variety of governmental types? There are absolute monarchies, democracies, and so-called Islamic republics.
Not sure how that answers the OP.
My answer in one sentence, “What is good about Islam is that its followers, for the most part, don’t follow the Hadith and Quran literally.”
The many peaceful Muslims literally follow the peaceful interpretations of the Quran. The relatively very few violent Muslims violently follow a violent interpretation.
No disrespect to the author, but that’s some pretty thin soup. The cornerstone is that “Dar” appears in the Quran.
In any case, there’s nothing scary about Dal Al Islam, it’s just the places where Muslims are a majority. Every poster here who’s used the phrase “Muslim world” (though they inevitably seem to mean the Middle East instead) has made the same distinction.
That’s pretty rich coming from the guy who’s citing out-of-context passages sourced from hate sites. Try actually reading those chapters of the Quran for yourself, after spending an hour or two, at most, reading up on the historical context. It doesn’t take “apologists” to see through the tripe you’re peddling.
I mean, at best, you had vaguely bad experiences in Yemen and are extrapolating from that to judge Islam, and Muslims, as a whole. 1.675 billion Muslims don’t live in Yemen, and of the 25 million that do, I’d imagine you interacted with or observed a rather small fraction.
And, not for nothing, but you lived there for 9 years as a non-Muslim and lived to tell the tale. This experienced was shared by the many, many other non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries. Even if you refuse to read the Quran, doesn’t that by itself put the lie to the notion that Muslims are commanded to kill non-Muslims?
Here’s one factual response to the fearmongering and stereotyping of the OP: actual Muslim denunciations of terrorism. If you read the article, there’s not one but two substantial lists of both general opposition to terror in the name of Allah and specifically religious fatwas.
I don’t know if the author’s contention that there’s a conspiracy of media silence is supportable, but from personal experience as someone with pit bull family members, I share his frustration with everyone’s relentless flogging of untruths and prejudices.
It reformed fuck all. It got forcibly de-clawed.
No. Religion takes good people and makes them evil. Every single religious person on the planet is evil and has murdered hundreds of people.
The Vatican alone is responsible for over 16 Billion deaths. The Pope himself personally murdered 3 Billion of those 16 billion.
How many people are dying in Africa because of the Vatican’s position on birth control?
I never said I had bad experiences. At least no more than normal working away from home. I certainly grew tired of the way women were treated so that when I see someone not in that environment wearing a burkha, it really bothers me because of what it actually represents. Also, the amount of time and effort dedicated to their religion was utterly ridiculous.
As I’ve said before, it is lucky that they disregard most of the teachings of their murderous pedophilic prophet.
I will take it for granted that anything I post that disagrees with your interpretation will be from a ‘hate’ site. Groups like ISIS probably got their interpretation of the Quran from those sites rather than the Quran as well so aren’t true Muslims, huh?
…and I said not this time, you son of a bitch!
Or you could just give them the options that Muhammed gave others: Leave, Convert, pay the Dhimmi tax, or die.
A microstate like the Vatican can’t be compared with any plausibility to an actual country.
So, a member of an evangelical religion, expressed the opinion that his religion should be more widely evangelized?
I didn’t take it that they were going to convert anyone. I took it to mean that everyone there should rightfully be Muslims as they used to be and the penalty for not staying Muslim was what was going to be enacted in that ‘one day’ (He said Spain should be returned to Muslim rule, even if only for one day).
Exactly
So, basically, standard religious dogma common in all major faiths?
