It’s more like practical advice. If you go slaughtering too soon after eating, you get cramps.
But he doesn’t say that directly. It’s not written “And then Jesus said ‘All my followers must kill the unbelievers’”
In any event, as I said, I’m not a Biblical scholar, nor am I arguing in favor of the OP. Just that, Old Testament aside, I am pretty much in the camp of “Jesus said be excellent to each other”
I thought you were supposed to wait an hour?
This is interesting; do you think this could just be a manifestation of the notion ‘power corrupts’?
I think that’s a major part of it, but there may well be other factors, such as the strongest religion being the one that appeals to or gets used by the most naturally aggressive, power-hungry people.
Really? Is there anything in the New Testament gospels about going and killing members of other faiths?
Seems like most Christians try to follow the most non-crazy parts of the Bible, whereas most Muslims try to follow the whole Koran, crazy parts and all.
That’s a interesting conclusion to draw. What leads you to believe that?
I ask because my personal experience with Christians and Muslims would say the opposite. But then I’m Jewish so what do I know.
Doesn’t seem like this to me at all.
Have you actually met any Muslims?
Let’s see…
God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself. And before dying, he himself asked he himself why he had forsaken himself.
Nope, not crazy at all.
Personally, I think it comes down to how intertwined the religion is with politics. If the state is officially Islamic and tries to run it’s legal system in accordance with Islam, of course we’ll see barbaric practices inflicted on the people and encouraged by the people. We’d see the same in an official Christian state that took the religion comparably seriously. For the most part in the western world, the religious influence on government has been sharply reduced and kept under control, though it constantly tries to worm its way back in. Picture all those Americans who maintain the U.S. is and always has been a Christian country and should be run along Christian lines. Does anyone sane want them in charge?
Heck, within living memory… my mother occasionally talks about how, in Quebec, she had legal limits imposed on her economic choices just because of her gender, due to the influence of the Catholic Church. Is anyone here going to say this was a good thing? They’ve since faded to the background in Quebec, but is the influence the RCC *still *has over the government and laws of Ireland a good thing?
Is there any religion anywhere with scripture that says all humans should be educated and free to make choices and voice their opinions? That’s pretty much the bare minimum for what we’d call a modern liberal democracy, so any state religion that is more restrictive than that cannot help but restrict its people, also.
No to my knowledge. Then again, there’s no commandment in the Quran requiring one to “go and kill members of other faiths” either, so I fail to see your point. Indeed, aggressive violence is strictly prohibited in the Quran.
Perhaps you are thinking of verses about the war with the Meccans?
That very well may be why there are some denominations of Christianity with a different take on that sacrifice.
Only if they capitulate and convert when their land is being overrun. If they fight back, they are the aggressors and can be killed.
Quran (2:191-193) - “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”
The most Christian of Christian states, the Vatican, doesn’t go about executing people on religious grounds like, let’s say, Saudi Arabia; yes it use to do it long ago, but it reformed itself to be more tolerant and liberal.
No, it’s pretty clear about aggression being forbidden, and fighting only when attacked.
Back to the well, eh? Again, this is about the war with the Meccans - that’s why it says “turn them out from where they have turned you out”, Mohammad and his people were persecuted and driven from Mecca. The two sides then fought for several years.
The Vatican got reduced to a city state with Swiss mercenaries. It’s far easier to be humble and pious when you’ve little choice in the matter.
There were a lot of these “Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc” people in Mecca?
:dubious: Virtually everyone in Mecca, and all the elites, were polytheists until Muhammad had his epiphany and began converting people to Islam. Mecca was actually a pilgrimage site and place of worship for the pagan polytheists of Arabia.
Did you seriously spent 9 years in Yemen and learn absolutely nothing about Islam?