What happened to JonBenet Ramsey?

I can’t understand why you think this is meaningful? What else should they have been expected to report but a kidnapping, and why do you think it’s significant that Ramsey didn’t find his daughter’s body until later? It would make sense that the initial search would be somewhat cursory if they believed she’d been taken it out of the house, nor is it surprising or interesting that a more thorough search later would extend into more remote or obscure corners of the house, nor is it surprising that a shellshocked parent woul not be thinking clearly and coherently about every part of the house the kid could be, especially if he still thinks she’s not in the house at all.

Also, the DNA evidence cleared them. They are no longer under any suspicion. Somebody else did it. This is a scientifically proven fact.

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That’s correct. So what?

Look, they repored their daughter was kidnapped. When the scene was investigated, all was as the Ramseys reported…kidnapped little girl, ransom note.

Did John jump up and look in the freezer? Did he jump up and look in a cabinet under the sink? No, because he believed his daughter was kidnapped.

But suddenly he DID jump up and go downstairs (on his own, I understand) and find his daughters body…and then mess with the evidence.

Do we know if JonBenet ever played in that room, almost like a “secret place”? If so, maybe John suddenly realized, full of hope, that maybe she’s just hiding/asleep in her “secret place” and runs down to see.

How do we know he didn’t look in the freezer/cabinet/etc. before the cops got here? They were all looking around the house, I thought–the police and the family. The mistake the cops made was allowing the Ramseys to wander around the house.

I’d be thinking about getting my kidnapped daughter back…and working with the police.

It boggles my mind that people are so ready to believe this couple strangled their own child.

Look, police are lazy, and it is always easier to look for evidence that connects the crime to someone close at hand than it is to go out and search for an unknown killer. Police are all too eager to pin this sort of crime on someone who is handy. Saves legwork.

What is sad is how easily the press and the public were enlisted in the effort.

He didn’t “mess with the evidence,” he tried to save his daughter. He’d have to have been inhuman not to.

There is nothing shocking about the fact that he remembered an obsure room in the house. It’s only natural that he’d be wracking his brain trying to remeber places he hadn’t looked.

The cops would have looked in the freezer and under the sink, by the way, and I still can’t fathom how you think it would serve Ramsey’s interest to fake a kidnap note if he knew the kid was dead, or why it would be helpful to him to find the body after the cops left.

That’s exactly what he was doing, but any normal person would also be thinking about where else she could be in the house, and forming desperate hopes.

You don’t see how staging a kidnapping of the Ramsey’s daughter could manipulate the investigation?
It clearly indicates the Ramsey’s weren’t involved…it was a ‘crazed’ someone who was after money!

No, as a matter of fact I don’t see how staging a kidnapping would help them manipulate the investigation, especially if they’d known the body was still in the house, and that the cops would search the house. They would have had to have been confident to the point of insanity to just assume the cops wouldn’t find the body during the initial search, and I don’t see how it helped them to find the body after the cops left.

I think you also have to admit that characterizing a parent trying to revive his child as “messing with evidence” is ridiculously insenstive and tendentious.

Not in this case…as evidence WAS actually messed with.

Look, the police mishandled the initial scene because of who? The Ramsey’s.
It went from being a kidnapping to a murder scene when? When John Ramsey discovered the body.
Important evidence there was messed up by who? John Ramsey.
Now if the ramsom note was rock solid I might have some doubt…but even the ransom note is
highly suspicious…what with practice notes and being written at the crime scene.

All of this amounts to confusion CAUSED by the parents and hampering the investigation if it was indeed, the parents.

No it wasn’t. A child is not “evidence,” and trying to save her isn’t “messing” with it.

How did the parents “hamper” the investigation, and how do you explain the fact that the DNA evidence proves it was someone else?

And seriously, if you saw your own child lying unconscious on the floor, you’d make no effort to pick her up or save her?

How about a husband or wife? Mom or dad? An X-lover? That’s not how investigations are determined.

Parents aren’t investigators.

And you’re damn right that I’m going to try to save any loved one at all. Are you saying you wouldn’t? You’re cold enough to just dismiss your own child as “evidence” and refuse to touch her?

Well, in this case the body was evidence, yes, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame John Ramsey for picking her up and trying to revive her. He wasn’t thinking of her as evidence but as his daughter whom he wanted o save. And for this reason, the police shouldn’t have let him search the house or tamper with evidence–this is yet another reason why the police should have been the only ones searching and why the Ramseys should have been somewhere else.

Apparently their upper class status and general clout made the police more inclined to treat them with deference–but this is part of why the crime scene got so messed up.

In my neighborhood, you have to walk through a very rough area to get to the ‘nice’ walking area. I love to walk at night. I often end up walking alone, at night, through a known drug area. I hate that people probably assume I’m a crack head looking for a trick, just because they have ideas about how people should or shouldn’t behave in certain circumstances.

When my daughter was going through her eye operations, my heart was breaking and I was filled with doubt and fear. My husband knew this, and he began to crack me up in that hospital. I know the nurses looked at us and judged us…thought we didn’t care or understand the gravity of the situation.

So, I really hate to see people judged on how people think they should be responding to situations. In some weird way, it almost seems like an encroachmant on their freedoms.

I find it odd that if it was ‘a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction’ (or anyone intent on carrying out a kidnapping for that matter) why they would leave the body in the house? Most kidnappings end in death anyway, why not just take the body with you and still go through with trying to get the money?

Or if you’ve freaked out and killed the girl and have decided to abandon your kidnapping plan, why not go back and grab the ransom note? Surely you’d prefer that something which has your hand writing all over it doesn’t stay in the house with the dead little girl you were threatening to kill. You were comfortable enough to hang out in the house for however long writing it, everyone’s still asleep, why not just take it before you leave?

This is false. The case has been turned back over to the police, and I can guarantee you that the family is under suspicion. One whackjob DA who has been replaced and is a disgraced figure in Boulder declared the family innocent. Almost nobody else believed that.

The family has not been excluded from suspicion because of DNA evidence. That is just a false statement.