Cite?
Which was Obama’s reason for making the change, bringing Cubans under the same immigration policies as everyone else.
I’m sure Trump will be very quick to reverse his views once he takes office so why worry?
Oh, come on. It’s not as if Trump would use the power of the government to try to bulldoze an old widow’s house!
Oh, wait… :smack:
Sorry for the hijack. This thread is about Trump.
The answer of course is that there are only a few issues that Trump is really going to care about. That’s rolling back regulations on banks and Wall Street, cutting taxes for the rich, and repealing Obamacare.
And those things will be easily accomplished, all he has to do is sign the bills the Republicans in congress pass.
After that, he doesn’t give a shit about accomplishing anything. Pollicy-wise, that is. He’ll spend a lot of time arguing on Twitter with various people and making a big stink, but that will only be for the fun of it.
Trump doesn’t have a legislative agenda. He wants to be president not because he’s got a laundry list of stuff he wants to accomplish, but because being president is the bestest most important thing you can be. Having people call him President is what he cares about, having his name on the front page of the New York Times and mentioned every hour on CNN is what he cares about. And he doesn’t care if he’s on the news because people are talking about how great he is, or what an asshole he is, the important thing is that they’re talking about him.
Which part are you looking for a cite for - that people not looking for work don’t count as unemployed, or that the number is frightening?
Here’s what the Bureau of Labor Statistics says about the former:
You mean lower than a 55 negative favourability rating, the lowest for the past incoming presidents? It can go lower yet?
Trump’s favorability rating historically low, poll finds
He’s starting underwater…
That that number has gone up, that it is “frightening,” that it is Obama’s fault, that Trump has a realistic plan to address it, anything really that is relevant.
I’m well aware of the definitions.
The U-4 rate(Total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers)has gone down along with the other unemployment rates.
The U6 rate is the one that particularly in the Obama era has become popularly cited as the “real” unemployment rate. Linkto graph via St. Louis Fed. The number has come down substantially and is now close to the historical mid-cycle average, so… not especially frightening IMO.
Didn’t you get the memo coach? We’re in a post-truth world now. All that matters is that people feel that Obama raised unemployment and they feel that Trump is going to save them.
He will do exactly what Obama did after 2010 - whine, blame his predecessor and the other party, and sign lots of Executive Orders. Of course, he’ll blame his OWN party publically more than any other President would.
If I can get a Trumpist to agree to a consistent choice for how to measure unemployment - say, the Department of Labor’s figure for any value you care to pick, but it has to be agreed on what it is - I’ll bet $100 with any of them that number will be higher at the end of Trump’s term than it is now.
The BLS marks the U-3 rate as the official rate. That’s the one used to look good. The U-6 rate is used to make the other guy look bad.
**What happens when Trump can’t get anything done?
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Correct word is IF, not when.
I’ll take bets on either.
In any case, I don’t even understand the OP. Why would we think Trump won’t get anything done?
You can’t think of Trump as a normal President with a legislative agenda, like all other Presidents. Trump has no legislative agenda, no ideology; he doesn’t give a damn if Americans have jobs or not, or what trade deals are or aren’t in force, or whether or not abortion is legal. He’ll try to keep Congress happy by signing off on things they really want like cancelling the ACA, but he doesn’t really care one way or another; if Congress decided to keep ACA he’d be fine with that. What difference does it make to him?
With Obama, Bush 2, Clinto, Bush 1 and so on going back as far as you like, they had things they wanted to do that they were either successful at, not successful at, or somewhere in between; Obama got ACA passed, but Bush could not get immigration reform passed, etc. Trump has no such desires. What Trump wants to do is make money (and/or pay off debt to Russians) by selling access, secrets, and favors. It’s likely he’s already sold off a Cabinet appointment to Betsy DeVos; that’s good coin, I bet. Now he’ll sell favors to Russia, or anyone else willing to pay. Congress can’t get in the way of that. Whether a small favor, like a peice of the action to a company looking for a score in federal spending, or a big favor, like agreeing to torpedo the NATO obligation when Russia invades a Baltic state, there’s really not a lot Congress can do to stop Trump. He gets paid. Why would he care what’s going on with Social Security if he’s getting paid?
Yeah, I agree with most of this. I don’t think Trump actually has much of an agenda…which is probably to the good, as he’s such an outsider that I don’t see even his own party rallying around him with support for anything they don’t already want. About the only thing he still seems to be pushing that I’m unsure he’ll get real solid support for is his stupid wall, as the reality of the cost is almost certainly going to nix that in the bud wrt general support to fund it. Other than that, I think Trump is going not really going to try to do much, while giving the impression he’s doing a lot, to take credit for anything good that happens while deflecting (or trying to deflect) anything bad that happens onto others. I expect him to be as re-electable as Carter was, though my powers of prediction are pretty bad so who knows?
Trump’s agenda is: What’s good for Trump is good for America.
I don’t think he gives one single shit. He’s already got what he wanted. To be President.
It’ll be “business as usual”.
C’mon everyone - we know that the real unemployment rate is 42%, and that the BLS is covering it up, and that the dishonest media is lying about the cover-up.
We know all that because Trump has told us that the real number is 42%.
But you’re all buying the lies.
Sad.
Here is my prediction:
Trump will get a lot done. Many of us won’t think it is good, but the Republican party will be found malleable to a new anti-trade protectionism if they think it gets them re-elected. Trump will focus on things that play to his base, while giving the Republicans what they really want. For instance, most of Trump’s nouveau-Republican working class won’t care that the 1% pay no taxes as long as they believe that someone is looking out for their jobs. Part of this Faustian bargain will be that the Trump family enriches the shit out of itself. Prediction: By the end of the term, one or more of the Trump family will be among the 10 richest people.
So look for:
-New ACA, same as the old ACA
-lots of high-profile investments in American manufacturing (with little real impact on jobs)
-Reduction in taxes for the wealthy and for corporations
-Coal will continue its market-driven slide. It will be interesting to see how Trump spins that
-Massive increase in deficit spending.
Spoilers:
-I think they will tolerate Trump’s rhetoric on NATO and Russia, but not so sure about actions
-We’re in the midst of a very long expansion, and it has to end sometime. That could be a powerful way for the dems to argue Trump’s policies broke the economy, even if it isn’t related
-There will be scandal. Just depends on how bad it is