You have been a member here for two weeks, and you think you can come in, start a thread, and then jump on a poster for her religious beliefs, shitting your own thread to do so? Wow, I am amazed.
But since you started the hijack, I would like the opportunity to continue it. I trust I will not offend you. There have always been people to use religious teachings to justify hatred and oppression. For example, the Klansmen are mostly Protestant. Not all Protestants are racists, but some are and use their faith to justify it. Millions of people were killed during World War II for believing in the Jewish faith. Yet you feel it is acceptable to disparage and old and peaceful religion that you don’t understand because a few extremists kill people.
As to the OP, what happens after you die? Nothing. Consciousness is over and you don’t even know it.
A universe was born of a single point, for no apparent reason. A star (or stars) exploded at some time. Remnants accreted in a large disk. Individual bodies began to accrete. One of the globes ignited in a cosmic fusion reaction. One became conscious. Possibly seeded by the cosmos, possibly all on its own. At the end of the day, who the fuck knows why all this happened or where it’s headed? Likely nowhere intently, but can we be sure? We don’t even know what consciousness is. It seems in some ways to be different than matter, in others, just incomprehensibly complex matter. Where do ideas come from? It’s hard for us to imagine ourselves not thinking, because we’ve never not thought (we don’t remember the times we’re not thinking, such as dreamless sleep.) Could there be a continuation after physical death? Maybe. Matter cannot be destroyed-- can consciousness? Maybe when we are reabsorbed into the Earth, we join its consciousness, or a greater consciousness that it’s part of.
The safe bet is to eat right, exercise, wear sunscreen, and enjoy your 66.2 trips around the sun.
As has been pointed out the matter and form required for concious thought have will have been destroyed, so no concious thought as we understand it could exist after brain death. The only other experience we have of being formless, having no cells to make up conciousness is back before we were conceived; ergo I think it is rational to assume that the ‘experience’ after death is a lot like the experience before life.
That’s my theory as well. When I went in for a wisdom tooth extraction, I went under general anesthesia, and it’s exactly what I imagine dying to be like. I can’t identify the exact moment I lost consciousness, and I can’t remember the exact moment I woke up. It was very different from sleep- I’m very aware that there’s this missing chunk of my life.
If I’d never woken up, I would never have known. I wouldn’t miss being alive, because there would be no “me” to miss it.
And you believe that thinking/feeling/emoting defines existence for the soul?
No ego, no sense of self = no soul? Therefore, no afterlife? Is it possible that there
could be a form of ‘soul’ existence beyond the level of form (thinking/emoting)?
Something that perhaps surpasses our present understanding?
Hmmm. Odd. I went under twice in my lifetime (both for the same broken pelvis - first time to put the clamps in, second time to take them out). I don’t remember losing consciousness - they did the old “count to 10”, and my last memory is on “three”. However, I do remember that coming back was exactly like awaking. I must add that I dream very rarely, so that may have something to do with it.
As for death, I don’t think any form of consciousness survives. You live, and then you’re gone, just like that. No meaning, no resurrection, no judgment, no great beyond. Just the maggots. Consequently, I’m decidedly not a sunny person
I don’t get this. If my memories, personality, emotions, abilities, are all physical in origin and die with my body, what’s left? You could posit an immaterial soul that survives death, but it wouldn’t be you, would it? It’s like recycling a serial number when the original part is destroyed. What’s the point?
Most believers have something in mind when they use the word ‘soul’. And it usually entails some part of your personality, memories and emotions surviving your death. Without those, you might as well posit that your big toe survives death. Who cares?
Yeah, I actually did some research and found this to be correct. I would say an Islamist is the analogue to our “Republican base”. Evangelical Christians who want Christianity’s precepts enshrined into law.
I had read previously that most Muslims think of the term Islamist as meaningless, but I can see that it has a long pedigree, stemming back from the mid 19th century.
So it is a word, however when used in 21st century angry rhetoric it’s often used wrong.
I tell you what, since there is no evidence for the soul, why don’t you tell me what the soul in fact does? I mean, if it’s not the thinking, emoting, feeling part of you what the hell is it?
I don’t know if it’s possible. I do know that no evidence for it has ever been presented.
Is it possible that space-dragons control the seasons and weather from the space behind the stars. Sure, whatever. But why would you think that were the case if you have no evidence for it? Positing an ill-defined *soul *that isn’t a part of everything we think of as you is both pointless and unfounded.
Wishing doesn’t make things so. I really wish that weren’t the case.
My grandmother is blind and she sees black. Makes sense because it’s the absence of light.
Although most blind people actually can see, just very very blurry.
I don’t know what happens when you die. I’ll send you all a postcard. The reason it’s question at all, I suppose, is that it’s nearly impossible for us to comprehend true nothingness. Even space has a colour.
]IMHO] there is physical death and spiritual death. When one dies w/o salvation they spiritually, live on in their death, this is the act of ‘falling’. They fall to a lower, crueler world, where there will be less opportunities. God hides much of the torment of living on in death, but it does have real consequences for the person, their life will not be like someone who has not fallen to that level. At some point most people will cry out to God for help, and God will lead them to Him through Jesus. With salvation, absent from the body means present with the Lord, the person enters the Kingdom of God, a world that is so glorious and feels so good that the person just wants to thank God for it.
Many people believe that in death there will be a light and that they should go to it, I believe that light is being born into another body[/IMHO]
