What I read in the newspaper today....

Ok, I was unable to find the article on the internet, but I read it yesterday in Contra Costa Times
I didn’t know if I should put this in the Pit or GD, so here I go…
It was an article in the opinion section about Dr. Laura Schlessiger’s up-coming TV show, and whether or not gays and lesbians had reason to protest.
Robert H. Knight offerred “evidence” that Dr. Laura was in the right. This “evidence” is why I’m starting this thread. I’m having a hard time believing that it’a A)True, and B) Even if it is, that someone would use it as evidence.
I’ll just hit on some highlights.

Bolding mine

Uh, ok…You here that my gay friends? You are only gay because it was promoted by activists groups! Oh, but it gets better.

This is a quote that I just don’t know if it’s true or not. Is it?

Who has the straight dope on this? I haven’t heard of this before, but I am living under a rock.

But the following quote is what raised my eyebrows.

I wasn’t aware there was an agenda. And the hate-filled bigots out there don’t need any help from homosexuals to show their true colors.
Anyway, Robert H. Knight goes on and on, but he closes with this doozy that shocked me with it’s insensitivity.

Anyway, thoughts? Feelings? And can someone please tell me about the “True Spirit 2000” thing?

pepperlandgirl, I was recruited to be a lesbian on a sultry night in August when I was twelve. I remember it well… I was innocently walking out of church when all of the sudden I brushed up against one of the homosexual perverts from HELL. The evil deviant said-and I quote-“Excuse me.”

The day after that, I started liking girls. I gave up on men entirely when GLAAD came to my door and handed me a rainbow sticker.

Seriously, though.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance against Defamation…advertised the “True Spirit 2000” conferance near Washington in February at which girls wanted to become males could attend a “chest surgery” workshop. They could also learn about human “branding” and sadism

“True Spirit” is a conference for transgendered persons. The name refers to the opinion that a spirit’s gender and a body’s gender are sometimes different. (Transgendered is generally accepted to mean someone who was born as one gender but identifies as a member of the other gender. If you’re born in a girl’s body but identify in all aspects as a man, you’re transgendered. Some, but not all transgendered people undergo surgery, making them transsexual. It’s a little complicated.)

The chest surgery workshop sounds like a completely valid workshop discussing breast augmentation or breast implants (depending on weather or not it’s M2F or F2M transsexuals). These workshops are, as I understand it, merely meant to be informative. Sex change operations are very expensive and are not without risks, so knowing the steps, cost, and consequenses of what you’re getting into is the crux of thses workshops.

Branding and sadism- every gay conference I’ve been to has had workshops that deal with bondage, dominance, and sadomasochism. There’s a very large S&M community within the gay community- it should be stressed, though, that there is a comperable, though less vocal, counterpart within the heterosexual community.

S&M… well, there’s a lot of mixed feelings about it. I can’t say that whips and chains excite me personally, but whatever floats your boat. It should be said, though, that S&M is completely and utterly consentual. Most people who are doing something dangerous have a “safe word” that they use. If someone says the safe word, whatever is being done immediately stops.

These workshops usually serve as a discussion forum. Some people use branding irons on each other (it’s kind of like tattooing) during sex. (Um…ow…) But again, it’s consentual, and workshops about sex don’t exactly shy away from extremes. No, it’s not like people are going to this workshop to witness people doing the horizontal mambo with accessories.

If you want to know a little more about S&M, then I can dig up some links to some FAQs.

So what is traditional morality? My girlfriend and I aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not being radical when I kiss her. I don’t love her to make a point, damn it. I want fundies to leave me alone so I can live my life.

Poison, when placed in Bavarian crystal, is no less deadly then when in a bottle marked with a skull and crossbones. -Gwendolyn Brooks

My gay agenda for today:

  1. Take shower
  2. Make lunch
  3. Recruit innocent children
  4. Shave head and change name to “Moe”
  5. Make dinner
  6. Dress in a three piece rainbow suit and convert the masses while burning churches.
  7. Practice maniacal laughter with a lisp.

Um… yeah.

andygirl
who was once voted “most likely to own a bullwhip.”

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I don’t see anything in that quote saying that people are gay because of activist groups. This guy appears to be saying enough garbage without mixing up what he says.

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For those considering sex reassignment surgery the chest workshop is probably a pretty valuable thing. Being as there are leather bars I wouldn’t doubt that there are homosexual S&M workshops. Why not? There are straight S&M workshops, literature, and clubs. I don’t like the way this guy uses the world “girl” though. Girl implies that they’re targeting minors for their programs. For the most part I don’t think this is the case.

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Well of course homosexual lobby groups has an agenda. Big deal though. Everyone else has an agenda. Agenda is just a word people use to scare others. Like extremist, right winged, or liberal.

Marc

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*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl *

Ironically, there are some groups within the gay community that are against gender reassignment. The Advocate once printed an article in which the author called sex-reassignment “body mutilation” and suggested that transgendered should just “pass as androgynous”

So not even the “gay agenda” is unified on the transgendered community. However, I have seen a few documentaries that showed that there is some science to back up the transgender issue. That it is possible for the mental gender and the physical gender to be different. So what Knight calls body mutilation, a transgender will call “becoming their true selves”.

Also, knowing Knight, I wouldn’t be surprised if tattoos and body piercings are also considered “mutilation”, since they are rather common occurences among gays.

Sadism has been a heterosexual thing for years. So that’s hardly a gay phenomenon.

As for branding, I had never heard of it being used ina sexual manner, but I’m not terribly surprised. I have, however, heard of branding being incredibly popular among college athletes. If you ever watch a college basketball or football games, be on the lookout for scars on the players’ biceps.

The gay movement is not as unified in its purpose as any other movement. There are extreme gays, liberal gays, moderate gays, and even conservative gays (ever heard of The Log Cabin Republicans?). So yeah, there are gays out there calling Dr. Laura names and trying to have her show censored and there are those who are not. He treats us like we are cohesive in our views and attitudes, when that’s not true at all.

You have to look at what Knight hopes to accomplish here. If you mosey over to the Family Research Council where he is an contributing expert, you’ll see that he does not want homosexuality to be seen as normal and advocates that it go back onto the list of APA of mental diseases. Knight has an agenda, and to accomplish that agenda, he must first vilify homosexuals by seeking out their most extreme views and using it against them.

There is a gay agenda. In fact there are many, many agendas. Everyone has an agenda of some kind. An agenda is nothing more than a list of things any group wishes to accomplish. Folks like Knight just manage to make it sound like a dirty word. I guess they expect that no one will point out that they have an agenda as well.

Well, my citation is a couple of years old, but I think it shows perfect evidence of this homosexual agenda!


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Please don’t mention Betty Bowers!!! Have you seen her reparative therapy for lesbians? She came this close to making me go straight and narrow.

[Beaker rocks back and forth muttering, trying to erase the images from her mind].

beakerxf: I just saw the Betty Bowers page you’re referring to. Pictures of Dr. Laura nude! I can see how that would convert many a lesbian into a straight woman, and many a heterosexual man into a monk.

Although, to be honest, from the distance those pictures were taken at, if I didn’t know it was Dr. Laura I wouldn’t think she was all that unattractive…

Those links funny as they are, would be funnier still if they had been put up by real homophobes who were really worried about “the agenda”

They are spoofs aren’t they ?
With you crazy Americans it can be hard to tell.

Frankly, it is the free toasters and flatware sets offered with every straight-to-gay conversion that really crosses the line, in my view.

Confession time.

I had heard Dr. Laura many a time, but never seen her. When I was flipping through the channels, I happened across her on Larry King. Before I could stop it, I thought “She’s kinda cute…but way too skinny”. So yeah, they are rather nice pictures and she has a cute body. It’s just the idea that it is Dr. Laura that is enough.

Actually, that is the ultimate sign of the evilness of the gay agenda. A toaster is often promised, but never delivered (not that I’ve seen anyway). So not only do they pervert, but scam you as well.

I don’t like Dr. Laura. Not the personality she projects or what’s she’s doing in the name of traditional family values. So, right from the start, I admit bias.

When I saw the publicity photos of Dr. Laura with that smile of her’s, I shuddered. She looks so absolutely, positively fake it’s incredible. I can’t believe she can contort the muscles in her head to make her mouth that wide. And there’s no warm or sincerity in that smile at all. It’s all plastic. She has literally put a face on for the camera.

Yes, I’m with you there Freyr. The image she brings to mind is “Cruella DeVille.” Hmm. Maybe Nancy Reagan as well. Scientist still can’t determine whether she’s live or Memorex.