She’s probably the most likely to be nominated (and win). And frankly, have you SEEN the Varsity team on your side?
How about offering a reason why it matters?
Yeah, imagine if we had a President whose father was President before him?
I’m enthusiastic about the chance to beat the Republicans. Very enthusiastic. I like Bernie, and I like Hillary, and I’d enthusiastically support either one to beat the Republican candidate, because they need to be defeated.
Followed by his brother?
It’s not a great feminist message for posterity, that the most effective way for a woman to wield influence is by marrying the right guy.
Should she be disqualified for that, then?
Take adaher’s pronouncements on who the Democratic nominee should be for what they’re worth.
Yes, if only she’d been a guy, and born to the right parents, the influence wielded would be a great message for posterity!
I don’t care for Clinton a whole lot, but I’ve got to admit, she wouldn’t be where she is today if not for her own abilities. Did she get a jump start from being First Lady? Yes, I can see that.
Did New York elect her to the Senate (twice) for being First Lady? Did she fight a presidential nomination down to the wire for being First Lady? Did she get appointed Secretary of State for being First Lady? No, no, and. . . no.
I doubt Bubba would have been elected at all, maybe not even as Ark. AG, much less done as good a job as he did, without her, too. Yes, they’ve always been partners in their careers as well as lives, and they still are and still will be, and there’s not a thing wrong with that.
It’s true that an ambitious woman has usually, historically, had to be indirect, by manipulating the men who held the formal titles and power. But that’s not nearly as true as it used to be, and ISTM for her to be elected in her own right would help break down that tradition. Perhaps some could say Bubba will really be in charge, but I have yet to hear that even from the hyenas. There was more sentiment expressed that Hillary was manipulating *him *during *his *tenure. And you all know the silly nicknames the hyenas used for her, since they’re coming back now.
An interesting warning, coming as it does from a backer of a party whose leadership is frantically hectoring its voting base, “But you can’t vote for Trump, Carson or any of those guys you actually want, 'cause they’re not electable!”
Yeah, but we know who isn’t electable for the most part. None of our guys are at risk of the FBI cutting a campaign short. Clinton won’t be indicted, but the FBI could release a statement which could effectively end her campaign regardless.
No indictment just means that the right wing media has just as usual pushed a lot of lies to their viewers and readers, it will not be enough to turn off the tea partiers and most Republicans; but most Democrats will know that once again the behavior of the Republicans is what makes them and many independents come to the conclusion that their crazy fixation to undermine an opponent with so little evidence does tell them that the whole Republican party is just full of unfair abusers of power. Making whatever faults there were there for the Clintons look trivial by comparison, and so many then eventually give a Clinton the benefit of the doubt at least if not their support.
I have seen this movie before and the Republicans never learn.
It’s the FBI. You might be able to sell a right wing conspiracy to the 38% of the electorate that are hard core Democrats, but you’ll never convince anyone else that the FBI is out to get Clinton as some sort of right wing plot.
Whatever happens, she did it to herself. All the FBI has to do to put an end to her candidacy is say they won’t pursue an indictment, but that her false statements made the investigation difficult. Game over.
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Full stop, you are not paying attention, I do think the FBI will come with some funny items, but no indictment. So do not put words in my mouth adaher. The conspiracy is not coming from the FBI, yours here is just a sorry attempt at having me claiming that.
You are only getting contempt for your sorry attempts at making me sound like a CT. The reality is that the conspiracy theories are coming like water from a high pressure hose from the right wing media spinning to all that what the FBI is investigating the crime of the century. Once the results come out it will be the right wingers the ones that will be screaming foul till the end of time.
And independents once again will wonder why did they listen to all the conservative media tripe and then will support a candidate that while flawed does look much better than the Torquemadas that clearly would like to have another go at driving the ship of government.
Okay, so we agree that the FBI investigation is legit. And we agree there will be no indictment. I’m just pointing out that there are a lot of FBI actions and statements short of indictment that will put an end to her. People trust the FBI. If the FBI says she made false statements, something which they are currently investigating, then she’s done.
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Still not reading what I typed.
The FBI will be in the end hounded by the Republicans for not arresting Hillary, and also for not delivering what they want. And I can say this because it is clear that once again you are going for the propaganda that claims that Hillary is the one being investigated, she is not.
The FBI confirmed to the New York Times back in August that Hillary Clinton “is not a target of the investigation.”
In reality it is more likely that the FBI is running an investigation on who could be affected if the server was hacked, again, not an investigation into her but into who could be investigated further if someone did mishandle the e-mails and there are some companies that worked with the server and backups that are being investigated for that reason. The conspiracy theorists of the right however are is still claiming that the ‘FBI will put Hillary in prison”
They are relying on wishful fiction.
And stop punching your sorry straw men adaher.
That could very well happen. The Republicans are usually not smart. The FBI should never be hounded. Now the Justice Dept, they can be. If the FBI recommends an indictment and the Justice Dept. declines, the Republicans should pounce on that, because who can argue that it wasn’t politically motivated to disregard the FBI’s recommendation?
Actually, now the FBI is expanding the probe to include alleged false statements made by Clinton. Of course, Clinton is not the subject of the probe, only her words are.
Actually you are not reading again.
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No direct source from the FBI is claiming that**, it is only hired FOX experts that one has to doubt a lot nowadays.
So, besides not following the advice of stopping punching your straw man, you are still not cleaning your bookmarks from sorry sources of information
Your link does not support your assertion. More wishful thinking on your part, not analysis.
Still, its utterly charming that he blandly offers Fox News as an authoritative source.