If the man has a problem, it’s that he’s boring. Every one of his threads is “Hey, looky here at what those crazy Democrats/Muslims are up to now!” It was mildly amusing the first fifty times (mainly because it served as a refreshing balance to the relentless Bush-bashing threads) but it’s worn thin.
Of course terrorists like Democrats. Heck, if Jimmy Carter had been re-elected in 1980, those embassy hostages would still be in Iran!
Leftists are such sactimonious mealy-mouthed TWERPS that we need december and his ilk. I recommend all his threads be read, along with Al Capp’s The Hardhat’s Bedtime Story Book, just so compulsive leftist nay-sayers can get the virtual ass-kicking they so richly deserve.
Who started this thread?! Ban HIS sorry ass!
By the way, if I was American, I’d’ve voted for Gore.
I don’t agree with decembers OP. But, this shouldn’t have been moved to the pit.
On the other side of the political spectrum we have many threads that are absolute Bush pile-on’s where he is called a murderer. The number of posts and threads in GD that do exactly what december does except it’s on the other side of the political spectrum are too many to count.
During the Iraq war we had liberals on the SDMB wishing out loud for the deaths of American soldiers. I and others complained to the mods about it. These threads were in GD and were not arbitrarily moved to the pit.
december doesn’t break the rules. He just says things that people don’t agree with.
Shodan, perhaps it escaped your notice that the first “insult” in the thread was december’s implication of treason directed at everyone who disagrees with him. That insult is what’s causing the reaction. Or did you think that was simply a statement of fact (which is what I suspect)?
bryan, you’d have a point if this were an ordinary message board. But this one is devoted to Fighting Ignorance. Instead, you advocate ignoring ignorance.
Truth be told, I’d rather have a good time than fight ignorance, but we’re to fight ignorance above all else, you may as well call for the banning of anyone who likens a U.S. President to a member of the Nazi party or a murderer, as has been done on numerous occasions. It’s an ignorant thing to say, after all.
I prefer there be evenhandedness in our ignorance-fighting, is all. Besides, a number of dec’s positions make sense, and I’m not inclined to dismiss him outright as ignorant.
Anyhoo, I have no problem what-so-fucking-ever if people dogpile on december. But calling for his removal? To that person, I say YOU get the fuck out, you whiny loser ignorant shitbag!
I call bullshit here. As has been said time and time again, it’s not just that we disagree with december. I disagree with lots of people here, but the vast majority of them don’t cross the line that december crosses constantly.
His OP’s do not insult any single person or poster, but they insult broad groups of people, usually “liberals” or “Democrats,” by making baseless and offensive assertions about them. This doesn’t break the rules, no, but it’s still rude and poor debating.
He reads selectively.
His quotes from cites often mangle the original intent of a citation.
When he quotes accurately, it is almost unfailingly from a blog or a similar source devoid of facts.
His responses either twist the words of those he is responding to, or ignore them.
He does not insult those he argues against, but he also shows them no respect or consideration in his responses. To my mind, this alone justifies the response that he inevitably gets.
Again, Debaser, and with feeling: The fact that some do not agree with december is not the problem. The fact that he uses sorry-ass and often insulting debate techniques and writes like Ann Coulter IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM!.
So, your false dichotomy is bullshit.
Also, I share minty green’s call for a cite on the “liberals calling for the death of American soldiers” thing… be sure that it’s a GD thread in which the offending poster did not get warned about it later.
John, some of december’s detractors are blinded by partisanship, while others are not. Many are simply annoyed or offended by his rhetoric and debate “tactics.” Until the person making this assertion about december’s detractors wants to name names and identify who he/she is talking about, I’ll take the assertion for what it’s worth: very little.
I think this is the crux of the matter. Look at the following, from the offending OP:
How is this not insulting? It’s outrageous is what it is, despicable slander against anti-war activists, and it’s par for the course.
Collounsbury called folks ignorant twits, and sure, that’s an insult. December tells me I need to apologize for helping to get people killed, and you tell me that’s not an insult?
A silver-plated turd. The fact that he dresses up his insane accusations in nicey language does not make the accusations stink any less.
If you’re referring to the thread cited in the OP, there is no such implication there. He specifically said it WASN’T treason. Or do you mean a different thread?
Daniel, I agree… I meant to say that he doesn’t insult them overtly or directly. He opts instead for indirect and broad insults which do not address any member of the boards directly, but cover many of them at once.
Thus, he doesn’t break the rules as written, but it’s still a pretty shitty way to “debate.” And, in my opinion, he breaks the spirit of the rules, if not the letter of them.
But, like I said, I agree with you. A silver-plated turd indeed.
I do hope that Poly will drop by at some point to reassure us all of his humanity since I have much invested in the God I already know. If Poly is the standard by which men are to be judged, then we all would do well to worship him,
Rick, he did specifically say it wasn’t treason, or murder, but he also left no other possible interpretation of what he did say. That leaves the specific denial as yet another weaseling tactic.
I don’t worship Poly, but I do consider him one of the most level-headed and fair-minded posters on this board. I don’t recall any other time that I’ve seen him react in the way he did to december’s vile OP. In general, he’s presents himself on the boards as very calm and difficult to rouse to anger. He’s certainly more level-headed than I am, sometimes.
In short, you and your insinuations can fuck the fuck off. Just because I admire someone (and I do admire Polycarp) doesn’t mean I worship them. I don’t worship anyone.
Here is the GD thread where people wished that the war would go badly.
This is all from that one thread.
It should be noted that posters from all over the political spectrum denounced these fucktards. Shodan, gobear, ElJeffe, John Mace, myself and others.
There is the sticky pit thread where Shodan asked for ruling against this.
Lynne recommended we ask the moderator of GD.
I don’t remember if I reported the post to a mod, but think I did.
In any case, the thread was never closed or moved to the pit.
Now we have december doing something comparatively tame and makes an argument that terrorists want Bush to lose the next election, ergo voting democrat is what the terrorists want. His thread is sent straight to the pit.
Now, I don’t agree with december’s OP. However, what he did was certainly not as bad as wishing for the deaths of US soldiers.
Damn right! Yet I keep seeing the same arguments, and I don’t mean december’s posts. The arguments I refer to are the ones made by his supporters (“He’s not all that bad, y’all just disagree with him!”) and his bashers (“WTF? You must be referring to some other ‘december’!”). december has received warnings not only for the posting style but most recently for starting threads where they clearly don’t belong. Every time he posts some outrageous garbage, people start calling for his bannings, others come in to support him, then we start in on the december merry-go-round all over again. The SDMB doesn’t need this shit.
So, even if your accusations here are true, which I am certainly not granting, he isn’t breaking any rules. He is just saying things you don’t like.
And, as to the accusations of rudeness, give it up. He simply is one of the most polite posters on the board.
I love how you are trying to make this non-partisan and yet you let Ann Coulter’s name slip in there. Whoops!
Maybe the mods can tell us. Was Dinsdale, TVAA, MMI, Estilicon, Latro or anyone else ever given a warning in private after calling for the deaths of US soldiers? I doubt it. No mods showed up in the thread in question. It was never locked or moved.
debaser, if you’d taken time to read any of your cites, you might have noticed that they’re actually all saying the opposite of what you accuse them of. They are certainly not expressing hope that people will get killed, but that it may be necessary to see that happen in order to keep even more from being killed later on. Several of your own damn quotes make it clear that they’re about minimizing deaths. No wonder nobody posting here knew what you’re referring to.
You have, deliberately or not, misrepresented the positions of those with whom you do not agree, indicating that you don’t have, or possibly even want, a fucking clue what they’re telling you.
