Has that or anything related ever been published? He attended the Wharton School where the average SAT score is north of 1430 (1600 is perfect). Its my understanding that SAT correlates with IQ scores. Anyone seen real evidence of either for Trump?
Here is a quote from a possibly relevant article:
I can’t prove this, but my wealthy uncle bribed his son’s way into Wharton. The bribe was not personal, but in the form of a gift to Penn. $10,000, a substantial sum in 1950, was the amount that circulated in my family. He later bribed his son into Penn Law in the same way and the son became a notorious ambulance chaser. Both bribes were family lore, but the ambulance chasing is fact. Now his son is doing it too.
As long as he isn’t chasing parked ambulances…
I think it’s a fair guess that his IQ is quite a bit north of 100.
As much as he may be ridiculed, it is extraordinarily difficult for a person of average or below-average IQ to rise to the presidency. You have to have the ability to weather and tackle numerous debates, be aware of numerous issues, understand what makes voters and donors tick, know this and that, navigate various political waters of this and that - not even including Trump’s prior decades in business. His morals and ethics are questionable, but I would bet big money on his IQ being quite high.
Really? Where did you see him do this? He just spouted shit until he got applause and remembered that.
Education isn’t the same as IQ though, is it? I know plenty of people with lots of education that are really rather stupid.
All of it, one of the highest ever recorded.
Seriously, the only way to get a real IQ score is to take an individually administered IQ test and the vast majority of people never have a reason to take one. Fordham is a perfectly fine school but it isn’t top tier. If he just used family connections to transfer from Fordham to Wharton, his scores could be anything.
Keep in mind that you can’t compare current average scores to ones from decades ago. They have inflated greatly as competition has increased. It used to be common for wealthy and influential families to just buy their way in. It is still possible but much harder these days. It isn’t just Trump either. George W Bush, John Kerry and many of the Kennedys got their Ivy League education the old fashioned way - money. I don’t think any of them are especially dumb but they weren’t exceptional students and wouldn’t get in today just based on blind admission criteria.
Which was the winning strategy.
How exactly is intelligence defined by the way? If The Donald’s strategy was so simple and effective why wasn’t it copied by those with IQs 2-3 standard deviations to the right of the mean?
Still possible. From a *2006 *Boston Globe article:
Just to be clear Trump has an undergraduate degree in economics from the University of Pennsylvania. He only spent his last two years at U Penn, having transferred in from Fordham. He got in through family connections. The minimum standard for admission in 1967 can be found here. (PDF warning.) He did take undergraduate classes at the Wharton School of Business. However, Trump was not enrolled Wharton’s prestigious MBA program. Trump did not graduate from the UP Wharton school nor make the Dean’s List at any time.
Possibly because the end doesn’t justify the means. Just because you can con your way to the top doesn’t mean you should.
Trump certainly has talent of some sort. The question is just whether his particular sort of talent is accurately labeled as “intelligence”.
Here is a link to the Penn graduation program. Trump is not listed among the honors graduates.
This is not true.
I think he’d score horribly on a standard IQ test. It’s not so much regular stupidity as it is a complete lack of any sort of intellectual curiosity and a complete inability to apply any sort of attention or focus to anything that he doesn’t have an emotional connection to – which is limited to 1.Stuff people say about Trump 2. Stuff that makes Trump look like a loser 3. People of color that do stuff. It doesn’t matter what they do, it’s sure to piss off Trump.
But can you imagine him focusing on standard IQ test questions long enough to answer them? Or actually trying to work through a problem? It’s easier to imagine a dog doing a crossword puzzle.
I would take that bet, for any definition of “big money.” But I don’t think we’ll ever know. We have a better chance of seeing his tax returns some day.
I agree. Many of the questions require logic and reason. And as you said ‘working through a problem’. Trump has not demonstrated any of those skills. Quite the opposite.
Trump is probably quite smart but like many smart people his intelligence is often defeated by his ego, emotional instablity, and thinking he already has all the answers. You know, I remember when I was young, older people used to criticize us for thinking we knew it all. Now that I’m north of 40, I realize that older people need to just shut the hell up.
What role would dementia play in his IQ? Trump in his 40s or 50s may have gotten a different IQ score than trump at age 70.