Political debates have become assymetrical, here and elsewhere. Did you really not notice this? Dems, libs, and progressives are bound to an idea of “fairness” that doesn’t exist on the right, in argumentation, but also in the real world, at the border, in the climate, and in human rights. The right has abandoned reality publicly and definitively.
Comparing that with fake news claims is ridiculous. The claims are not based on any interpretation of reality.
Honestly, what I really want is for the innocent victim to not be staring down the wrong end of a gun.
You see, many of these “positive” stories begin with a criminal pointing a gun at someone, and end with the good guy pointing a gun at the criminal. Many many many more stories that don’t meet the “positive” criteria begin and end with a criminal pointing a gun at someone.
One might suggest that the most positive gun story of all is one where nobody has a gun pointed at them.
People work the refs all over, especially here. You are in a dream land. The whole point of any technique like that would be to make it work in the “neutral” environment, not the hive. You sound like Mark Zuckerberg telling us everything is going to work out great.
The “positive gun news” in that thread is about vengeance, the death or maiming of a violator/societal loser for revenge-fantasy narcissistic supply.
Playing Lucifer’s Barrister ------ I could claim that every dramatic news story and pretty much all the follow-ups (including threads here at the SDMB) after a shooting happens are nothing but anecdotal evidence and appeals to my emotions to jump on the cheerleading anti-gun bandwagon. Sure there are cases when guns have been used for committing mass murder but that is not an argument for banning certain types of guns or banning all guns. But I guess that is why I happen to like the thread.
I also question that the thread promotes the proliferation of guns. To me it more promotes responsibility for yourself; your personal safety and responsibility for your actions. I haven’t noticed any posts there suggesting we roll back to before the 1968GCA or the even earlier initial control acts – just links to real-world cases. Very few of the stories in my memory even come down against reasonable controls although some do debate what could be called reasonable.
I don’t know really. If the thread was more than simple reports of news stories maybe I would find it disturbing to see it somewhat regulated. But how it is played and has played out I think its a worthwhile addition.
So, wait, if I want to start a thread to discuss a political topic, but don’t want the usual gang of trolls to come in and threadshit all over it, all I have to do is start it in MPSIMS? I could start a thread about, say, the Bernie Sanders campaign, specify in the OP that only pro-Bernie viewpoints are welcome, and the Mods would actually enforce that? Is that right? Or is this a special rule just for the gun nuts?
Read post #76. It explains everything.
Regards,
Shodan
As a devout pacifist, I agree. One might.
That’d get one warned, then Banned because of posting that kind of thing into that thread.
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There arent several other gun threads where you can post that?
I am sure we have at least three. :dubious:
In the Positive Gun News event I know best, the home invader was unarmed- except he was larger, and was in all likelihood stronger and faster, than my mother. If she hadn’t been armed with her .38 S&W there would be nothing “positive” about the story from her point of view.
Guess what?
Nobody is stopping all those “positive” gun stories from being posted in those other threads.
To some extent, they would be a hijack. A discussion of what the Founders meant and Thoughts on the 2nd Ad are not really the place to bring those up, unless someone says 'well, no ones life has ever been saved with a gun in the house" .
You start LOTS of threads, and you seem to want people keep to your topic on those threads, do you not?
But not for this thread, eh?
I don’t believe I’ve ever started a thread with the instructions that people only tell me what I want to hear, outside of maybe the very recent “Good gun control news” I posted as a test counterpoint to the protected gun thread.
Well, you are wrong; it’s literally part of the playbook. The Right knows exactly how their opponents react and have known how to manipulate them that way for decades. It’s how they’ve gotten so fair despite their numerous flaws; all they have to do is mechanically push the right rhetorical buttons and the majority of their opponents will roll right over for them. There’s classes and instruction manuals for this sort of thing.
No, it means that the moderate and left wingers are enabling evil, because they are so desperate to be “fair” to the right that they will feed the rest of humanity as human sacrifices to it.
it’s for the Right in general. People have for years here gotten away with pushing things like conservative religion and “race realism” that would get them banned if they used the same tactics for a non right wing position.
I haven’t objected to different opinions in that thread being present-wtf are you talking about?
I beg to differ.
I was wondering this myself. I’m having a hard time squaring that with the mods’ defense of the right of pro-gun people to a ‘safe space’ of their own.
If I started a “Positive News about Labor Rights and Union Organizing” thread, do I get my thread where only positive things can be said about labor rights and union organizing, or would it be closed like the abortion thread was? Who gets their ‘safe space’ and who doesn’t?
The Positive abortion news and experiences thread was closed, but the decision was appealed and the thread has been re-opened.
That thread has simply fallen off the front page (depending on your browser settings of course). I suspect the thread is going to be inherently low traffic.
An actual defensive gun use is likely to be a traumatic experience for the people directly involved (however legally and morally justifiable their decision to use a firearm was), but pretty often a DGU is also newsworthy, allowing the rest of us (who weren’t directly involved) to re-post and comment on their stories. The decision to have an abortion is a private medical decision, and you rarely get items in the local or national news media about private medical decisions. The number of people willing to share their very personal experiences in a “Positive abortion news and experiences” thread is likely going to be small (and let’s face it, the total pool of people who could share such stories isn’t very big to begin with; alas, there just aren’t that many active Straight Dopers around anymore).
We are not taking sides, one way or the other. All we are doing is asking people to actually stick to the topic of a thread. If that thread upsets you, and you don’t even want it to exist, well, you know where the Pit is. Just because it is an upsetting thread doesn’t mean that anyone gets a chance to derail or intentionally corrupt it.
The “no threadshitting” rule applies to all threads. This isn’t unique to the gun thread. We are not making special rules for that thread.
You can start a thread on any focused topic. If you want to explore only the positive aspects of labor rights, then feel free to start such a thread. Just be clear about exactly what point of view your thread is from (pro-union, I assume), so that it is clear exactly what is considered “positive” and not, and be clear that you are not looking for a debate on the topic. Anyone who posts something “positive” from an anti-union point of view or trying to engage in any sort of labor debate would be off-topic and those types of posts would be moderated. And, of course, those with opposing views are free to create threads of their own, if they so desire.