What is public opinion on who is to blame for the shutdown?

I think they’d still hold out for his admitting he’s a Kenyan Muslim Socialist usurper, ineligible and unqualified to hold the office.

This is not a logical sentence. You’re talking about a guy that said he was so patriotic that it made him cheat on his wife.

The media gripes are coming from the wrong side. The media always bends over backwards not to appear to favor one side so it puts up the pretense of both sides having some culpability. What they should be doing is showing what a bunch of terrorist thugs that the Republicans are. What they want is nothing less than the nullification of the 2012 elections.

Who the public blames will of course fall along partisan lines. Right wingers will find no fault with the GOP, most everyone else will blame the GOP more than Obama, the enlightened will assign 100% of the blame to the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party and the utter, complete, and absolute failure of John Boehner as Speaker.

I honestly don’t think he has too much choice. He will end up thowing them something that will be enough face-saving to allow them to move on, but he cannot throw enough that any future House minority concludes that this tactic works. That’s just the right thing to do for the needs of governance in the future IMHO. As political theater he wants to demonstrate firmness but not rigidity - a tough thing to pull off.

I think Boehner is foolish not accept Obama’s current offer and call it a win. Spin it as Obama agreeing to negotiate with the clock running on a new short term package while Obama spins it as they agreed to fund and raise before he began to negotiate. They won’t get much better … they can’t.

Another political theater aspect is that Obama may, in those negotiations, “give” things that he wants to give but that he would prefer to appear to be forced into … Keystone and some aspects of entitlement reform … things that otherwise would piss off his own core.

Just MHO.

I hadn’t heard this one. Not that I doubt Gingrich is capable of it, but do you have a cite for this?

I’ll admit it’s a bit of a paraphrase, but here.

Meh. His current wife was a Republican staffer in the house when he started his affair with her, so I don’t think it’s too far out in left field to say that he was working to hard and that caused the affair which led to his marriage.

That’s a nice piece of fancy footwork, though, him bringing his patriotism into it. Bubba would be proud.

Napoleon put it more elegantly: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

If his mistake is to commit suicide by blowing up the house you both live in, that does not apply.

The ironic thing, is that you’re doing the exact thing you’re complaining about. The Conservative Flavor-Aid you’re chugging makes you think that Obama and the Dems are the unreasonable ones here.

They tried to negotiate on the budget 19 times. The GOP refused.

Then they demand that the ACA get damaged for them to pass a CR.

If you weren’t chugging the CF-A you’d see that blaming both sides is asinine.

I have a question that I would ask Gingrich, too, since you seem to be coming from similar thoughts here; how would you explain 90% of the media attempting to bias the argument vs. the apparent small difference in public attitudes towards Democrats and Republicans in the poll Gingrich cites? Are people simply not listening to the media?

No need for the historical accuracy, btw: The *saying *is “drink the Kool-Aid”, and referring to a drink that few have ever even heard of just makes you look pedantic.

The original context is the suicide poisonings at Jonestown. And it was, indeed, Flavor Aid.

The point is, so what?

Not that it matters, but I did not know that. I know about the Jonestown event and that is where “drink the Kool-Aid” comes from, but I just assumed it really was Kool-Aid.

Oh, this thing again, the reality is that both Kool-Aid and Flavor Aid were present in Jonestown.

The clip seems to be down now, but in a documentary on Jonestown, weeks before the end, there was an interview of Jones showing up his storage room, with crates of food, including many containers of Flavor Aide **and **Kool Aid.

Here is a close up of one of the crates Jones opened to the camera crew:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2412/capturept0.jpg

Of course, the difference is that Kool-Aid is something n-----s drink.

What the f BG?

I am sure you are making fun of someone but goddamn.

It’s a meme I’ve picked up lurking on RW messageboards (and sometimes occasionally on the SDMB), not on African-American messageboards.

Then leave it on those boards. Don’t drag that nonsense over tothe SDMB.

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This thread has taken an unexpected turn.

The answer to the OP seems to be “It depends on your news sources”. If you’re in the right-wing bubble, it’s all Obama’s fault. If you follow the mainstream media who are trying to be “balanced”, it’s everyone’s fault. If you’re of a more liberal bent (or are just paying attention) it’s primarily the fault of a small minority of extreme right-wingers in the House of Representatives carrying out a Koch Brothers plan and forcing the rest of the party members and the Speaker to join them or else face being primaried in 2014.