What is the origin of the "ejaculate on the woman's body" finish move in porn?

In regards to the OP, it is my non-scientific perception that the “cream pie” genre of porn is growing somewhat in the U.S.

Can any Euro-Dopers verify if Euro-porn tends towards the withdrawal money shot, or cream pie as a general operating procedure?

Also, maybe I shall let slip a little too much ignorance here, in regards to female orgasm in American porn. Check out the sub-genre “squirting”.

Is that not a visually confirmable female orgasm? What percentage of females squirt, compared to those that don’t?

Wise choices, all. Until the point where my partner and I had been mutually monogamous for many years and were fairly ready to have a baby, the thought of relying on withdrawal or any other single method with an efficacy rate of <99% never even crossed my mind. I absolutely want every life my partner and I bring into the world to be planned, wanted, and loved from the moment of conception. We use primarily the sympto-thermal method of fertility awareness but back it up with withdrawal or very occasionally condoms during my fertile week. Consider then, DtC, that we’ve used withdrawal as our primary method of birth control specifically during the week where I’m absolutely going to conceive for just about three years running now. At an average of three times a week during my active ovulatory phase, for three years.

I appreciate that your experiences tell you withdrawal doesn’t work. Mine tell me that it does, for long-term, mutually monogamous partners unconcerned about disease transmission, with a high degree of trust, and where a 4% risk of pregnancy is acceptable. I trust that my partner knows when he is about to ejaculate, that he wants to avoid pregnancy as much as I do, and most fortunately we’ve yet to experience a sneaky, spontaneous ejaculation.

I’ve yet to meet any teenagers who fit the profile of couples likely to be good candidates for “perfect use” of withdrawal, for a sparkily, rainbowy myriad of reasons which anybody who’s ever been a teenager can imagine. I hope I have been clear that a sensible discussion of contraceptive options involves a thorough review of criteria upon which a woman or a couple might base their decision. Some of these criteria include (but are not limited to) cost, ease of accessibility, potential or actual side effects, discretion of use, convenience, portability, partner’s willingness to comply, and certainly not the least, efficacy. Everyone has different priorities and what seems the only criterion to you may not even rank top five on someone else’s list. For society in general and mostly for the teenagers themselves, efficacy is paramount, combined hormonal methods are the first stop, and withdrawal is nothing but a parenthetical note in the “not really advisable” category, along with spermicides and progestin-only pills. All three are potentially great, when used with a high degree of compliance, but most people are quite aware that they’re not likely to do so. When presented with better, more effective options, few consciously choose withdrawal as their primary method.

Sometimes, for whatever personal reason of their own, they will not use other methods. You might not understand their reasoning, I might not understand it, and I might want them very badly to make other choices, but the fact of the matter remains: the only effective method of birth control is the one which you will use, every single time you encounter a sexual situation. I can encourage teenagers to use condoms every single time they have sex, I can give them all the free condoms they want, I can show them the potential results of choosing not to use condoms, I can give them all the statistics the CDC can throw at them… but in the end, if for whatever reason they don’t want to use a condom, they won’t. Maybe they feel like carrying one around makes them a slut. Maybe her boyfriend refuses to use one and she doesn’t have the self-confidence to insist. Maybe she or her partner is allergic to latex and can’t afford non-latex condoms. Maybe they don’t like the way it feels, and think sex isn’t as fun. For whatever reason, they don’t want to use them, and I can’t be standing there to force them to.

I will do my best all day long to help them achieve >99% efficacy in contraception, through whatever method or combination of methods they feel they can and will use every single time they have sex. Saying “withdrawal doesn’t work” is a lie that DtC wants me to tell. What I do say is this: “withdrawal isn’t as effective as other methods, and is really not a good idea to rely on, for the following reasons: …” I can educate them and help them make the best choices possible, but I cannot force them to do it, and in the event that they choose not to use other methods, withdrawal will reduce their risk. As an added backup method, a tool in the proverbial contraceptive arsenal, I think every person everywhere who wants to avoid pregnancy should always withdraw, as a matter of policy. The statistics sure as fuck demonstrate that it helps.

And by the way, you have no idea what it took not to say “a tool in your box”. I hope you appreciate the self-restraint. :wink:

That’s ok. What you did say was that you recommended the withdrawal method every time.

I was amused with the mental image of a dude trying to convince his girl friend to take a “money shot” on the kisser every time. “But it’s the only way to be sure we don’t get you pregnant… and it’s good for your skin complexion, too!”

I suppose, that is, unless you’re prepared to reject all clinically proven and medically accepted statistics out of hand, and selectively examine only the ones you personally feel will best support your un-substantiated theory. Oh… wait.

Yeah, I don’t think so. I think you’re calling people liars who just disagree with you. I have worked in several schools, and invariably, the health teachers were the most open-minded and frank educators in the school. I think they are telling kids the truth-- that withdrawal is one step above nothing, and that while it exists as an option, they owe it to themselves to take better care.

A close to 50/50 chance of getting pregnant over the course of 2 years is ineffective IMO. I’d say “pull and pray” about covers it, esp. for the girl, who has no control over the situation but will have the baby to deal with if the guy failes to use the method perfectly. I know several people who are now parents or had abortions because they used that method. So, YMMV. I would not tell teenagers it’s a method they should rely on. It’s a method to use in extremis.

Ignorant of what, exactly? That teens have a pretty good chance of getting knocked up using it? I know the stats. I’d say 30-45% chance of getting pregnant over 2 years, with zero disease protection, is a crappy birth control method and that’s what I’d tell them. It’s not as bad as NO birth control method, but it’s not a particularly good choice.

You tell them that, if they get into a situation like that, withdrawal is better than nothing. But they are doing themselves a disservice if they get into a situation like that, and then inform them of the other ways to protect themselves. That’s the point of education-- give people better options and a better understanding of the wide range of options available to them.