It’s true for all people; gender has nothing to do with it. The flipside is the line between romantic and stalkerish. That line, specifically, is: “Is she into him?”
I never said (or implied) gender had anything to do with it. 
Also valid about the difference between romantic and stalker. Two guys can use the same line on the same chick and have very different results.
Gotta go with the other men in this thread about this one. Never ever witnessed or heard of such a thing. I really, really don’t think most men give a shit about how other men look.
It’s undeniable that the more attractive get an easier ride, I’m sure I’m guilty of it myself.
Speaking as a ‘not so attractive’ woman I’ve always consoled myself with the fact that my more attractive friends wasted a lot of time fending off lots of jerks, and some even ended up with jerks, even though they had a wider range of options to choose from. I got a taster of what it was like to be attractive when I was a teenager, but luckily it didn’t last. 
Since then, I may not have had the same quantity, but IMHO the quality has been faultless. 
Huh? Never in my life have I ever entertained this thought.
Yeah, I imagine the problem with being a prize beauty is you get treated like a prize – fought over, hassled endlessly and if you’re not careful, acquired rather than loved.
The rude answer is they were attractive before they had the 6 kids.
As a spectacularly unattractive person myself, I’m guessing that the whole point is simply to not look like me.
Many very good posts in this thread. Lust4Life, I think you have summed up much of it well. My exception is I have never treated a smart beautiful woman as a helpless airhead. I have occasionally treated a smart woman as an airhead in a particular subject, but never across the board.
This is rude to say, but isn’t it hard for a woman that has had six kids to still be anywhere near the American ideal for feminine beauty? That could explain some of the Ops observations.
Sevastopol: I have never seen much of men resenting other men for being good looking. I have seen a lot of jealousy of tall men. I say this as a short 5’8" guy. What Der Trihs cited, I have seen constantly in the business world.
Jim
I wouldn’t call it rude. It’s perfectly normal for a woman to gain some weight after having 6 kids. (the rude follow up is that’s why there are strip clubs, brothels and mistresses). :eek:
Many attractive women (at least in NYC) allow themselves to be “acquired”. They actively seek out rich, succcessful guys, who not coincidently tend to be arrogant jerks.
The point to being attractive is basically that you get to reap the benefits that come from people actually wanting to be around you. People you like actually want to date you. You go to a job interview and people aren’t like “he’s qualified but there’s something a bit off about him”. People tend to be more inclined to seek you out to socialize with you.
The other thing is that generally attractive people tend to be in better spirits than ugly people. They tend not to make creepy, self loathing comments (see ScareyFaerie’s post) which most people find to be a turn-off.
It’s kind of like being rich. Sure rich people have their own problems. But I’d rather have a rich mans problems then a poor mans.
You don’t need to be especially attractive to have sex with beautiful women. Sure, it’s harder if you look like this guy, but women measure physical attraction differently than we men do.
That’s not to say that any given woman wouldn’t sleep with Heath Ledger or Brad Pitt if given the chance.
On balance, being extremely attractive is a double-edged sword - or some similar cliché. While I might seek the company of, do a favour to, be more indulgent towards, or give a job to a reasonably attractive or presentable person over a less attractive one (male or female), I find super-attractive people unnerving. There was a thread about this recently.
No they were not. They were just younger.
Life is easier for attractive people. People tend to be more helpful and friendlier to good looking people.
Anyway, if you can, look for the “Understanding” series by Discovery Channel. Can’t find a link to it but the series was hosted by Candace Bergman and the episode was “Beauty.”
Fibonacci sequence, Vitruvian man, Golden Section… very interesting stuff.
But, as we all know, women are almost always at their most attractive when they’re young. Women who turn heads at 20 might not even provoke a nod by 35.
I tend to agree.
I have found that unless a person is grossly abnormally ugly they can find someone to have children with. So where is the evolutionary advantage in being attractive?
You just said it. The truly grotesque can’t get laid. There’s no real evolutionary advantage in looking more like George Clooney than George Costanza, but there is one in looking more like Costanza than Joeseph Merrick (who once remarked that he’d like to live in a hospital for the blind, in hopes of finding a woman).
The very real bias the attractive have in their favor in the modern world is just a difference in degree of this impulse, not in kind.
Those would be the people who don’t appreciate honesty then.
blinkingblinking writes:
> Almost everyone gets the chance to have kids.
15% to 20% of all people never have children. You may know a lot of what you think of as unattractive people who have children, but my observations are quite different. I know a lot of people who want to have children but who can’t find anyone interested in marrying them (or having any other sort of long-term relationship with them). Do you actually have any statistics that indicate that there aren’t very many people who want to have children but haven’t found anyone to have children with?
Most people don’t appreaciate that kind of honesty. If a person expresses a belief that they are an ugly loser, others will believe them and treat them accordingly. That will then reinforce their belief that they are an ugly loser.
People who project success tend to attract success. One of the advantages attractive people have is they LOOK successful.
The good news is that you can look a lot more attractive with a put-together outfit and a positive attitude.
I have not noticed a correlation between getting married/having kids and attractiveness. I know plenty of attractive women who are perpetually single because they are a) bitches b) crazy or c) interested only in dating douchbag guys. I also know plenty of ugly couples who have found happiness. It’s like this one girl I know who thinks she was happier and met more guys when she was fat. She wasn’t and she didn’t. The only difference was when a guy dumped her, she can blame it one being fat. Now it’s because they just didn’t like her.