What part of "NO DOGS" do you not understand???

Okay, nyctea, you have a good relationship with your parents, and would immediately forgive them for ignoring your repeatedly stated wishes. Some people don’t and wouldn’t, and they’re not worse people than you because of it.

You make it sound as if he showed up destitute at her doorstep, and she beat him away with a stick and let him freeze on a park bench. The OP informed him multiple times before he left that the dogs were not welcome (nor he with them), and again at various points during his journey. I also see no reason to presume that he is penniless and incapable of securing other accommodations – which, again, he was fully informed that he’d be expected to do if he showed up with dog(s) in tow.

Yes, the nicest thing to do would be to put up with the dog for the weekend, but there comes a time when being nice is no longer worth the cost to oneself. Excess niceness can even be detrimental, in the case of teaching people that their actions don’t have consequences, or worse, that you’re a doormat whose personal desires can be ignored at will. Everyone has to decide for themselves when that time has come, and that’s just what phall has done.

No one is making her father do that. He had multiple options, before he ever left home, which would have completely eliminated the need to do any of these things. He chose not to.

Eh, he’s a big boy. He can clean up his own messes. It’s not her responsibility to pick up after a fully grown adult.

He knew the deal. He knew his dogs were not welcome. How he chooses to deal with that is entirely up to him. He may hope for a bailout, or for someone to enable him, but he’s not entitled to it.

I cannot believe that anyone who is able to drive cross-country is that totally strapped for cash. Do you often embark of inter-state road trips without so much as $70 in emergency funds? The mind boggles.

This is just a sob story from the dad. End of story.

That is to say, a fictional sob story from nyctea scandiaca, built out of wishful thinking and presumption.

<devil’s advocate>Or, alternately, a fictional (or exaggerated) sob story from phall0106.</devil’s advocate>

Just sayin’, it can work both ways, can’t it?

There is no straight shot between Pennsylvania and Arizona. In fact, this time of year - if one wishes to avoid being stranded in freezing weather or blizzards with no place to stay along I-70 - going south from Pennsylvania through Virginia to at least North Carolina (I-40) and most likely Atlanta (I-20) is probably the best route.

You are pounding a nonexistent point into the ground. If you don’t accept the basic facts of the OP’s dilemma–lease agreement, elderly cats, poorly socialized dog–that’s your right. You went past devil’s advocate many posts back and are now well into obsessive twit territory.

I love dogs, own my own home and share the place with a large, gentle, elderly pooch. My sister, whom I love very much, has a cute but aggressive and minimally trained little dog. There is no way I permit her dog to be inflicted on mine. Period. She’s generously suggested I bring my dog along when I visit her. I keep my dog home with a petsitter and friends to check in frequently, walk her, cuddle, etc. But I’m lucky. I have a lot of friends are dog nuts who can’t have one because they live in apartments, condos, etc. so my dog has a fairly large circle of dog-starved fans. Most people probably aren’t in that situation.

Thus far my sister hasn’t suggested bringing her dog to my house. Since she is a dog lover too, I can only hope she’d understand when I told her no. But she would 1. ask first, 2. respect my decision and 3. suck my hairy nutsack you crazy ass bitch.

The father in this mess might be fond of his dog but he’s irresponsible as hell. First off, anybody who neglects to immunize and socialize his dog is negligent at best. That’s baseline. He was perfectly aware of the cat/lease situation but dragged the poor pup along anyway. He could and should have left it safely in care at home before he undertook this long jaunt. Since he’s hauling furniture for 1200 miles I assume he had to stop sometime along the way. Either he stayed at a pet-friendly motel or he kept the dog with him in the car. If the latter, he could have kept the tiny dog warm enough by tucking it into his coat or something.

But we’re talking about a chihuahua here, and it’s winter. Dog breeds differ and chihuahuas can’t bear the cold well. Shoving the dog into a garage would be the grossly irresponsible. Great way to freeze the poor beast. The pup may be a pain in the ass but that’s the father’s fault. It’s utterly dependent on this person who “loves” it but is careless with its basic welfare.

People get to make these choices, even with family. I get that an old man might have wanted the companionship of one of his dogs on a long trip. But HE was responsible to keep the dog safe and housed on the trip. It’s HIS dog, and HIS responsibility, not the OP’s. She might not like the dog and have old issues with her dad but nothing changes the fact that her father created this situation. She has every right to resent it.

I have to say that I think phall0106’s father is a member of the boards or he has a double in nyctea scandiaca. Are you purposefully being contrary to the point of obtuse or is it subconscious only? Regardless I’d swear her father is posting in this thread.

Thanks for the support and the alternative perspectives. There have been a lot of comments in here that have provided food for thought, and some internal strength, so when I need to pull in a reserve, I’ll think back to how certain Dopers would respond.

For the record, Tulsa is in Oklahoma, not AZ. And, unfortunately, my abode doesn’t have a garage, so that option is completely out (if it were ever to be considered). I also don’t advocate locking dogs in vehicles, so that option would be out for me (and besides, my neighborhood is such that I think if an animal were locked in a vehicle, the local police would be out there poping the locks of the vehicle quicker than I could throw on my coat).

I am under the impression that his cousin, Michelle (who is receiving the furniture) paid for the gas for him to transport the furniture half way across the country. (I cannot believe I never wrote of the squalor in which he lives–when Hallboy visited him for 5 weeks over the summer, but I think I must have been too humilated to write about it on the boards–it’s not turning up in any search. So, he either slept in his truck on the way up, or rented nasty hotel rooms along the way.) I think my father tacked on the “well I’ll use this opportunity to see my son and daughter in Pennsylvania”, or as he might phrase it, “See my kinfolk”. (I’ve heard him use this expression numerous times in complete seriousness, no kidding involved.) He apparently has neglected the fact that throughtout the lives of both my brother and I, he’s abandoned us on several opportunities, the longest of which was about 15 years for my brother. So, while we don’t harbor any ill will towards him (that takes up more time and energy that my brother and I would rather devote elsewhere), we’re really not excited about the prospect of hanging with our daddy. (insert sarcastic smilie here) Let’s just say there’s been a lot of crap in between the times when he was in our lives and leave it at that. Afterall, this thread is already up to four pages, and I could easily fill another dozen or so with all the shit he’s pulled in my life.

Listen, under the circumstances, I’m willing to give him (and the Hallkids) two days this weekend. He’s 60 something, and every time I see him, I tell myself it’s likely to be the last time. However, as callous as it sounds, when he dies, I hope it’s in Tulsa and unfortunately (not) I won’t be able to make the trip to bury him. If that sounds cold, too bad, but that’s the way it is. Why then would I let him come for the weekend? Well, that’s complicated, but it amounts to the shred of pity I have left for the idiot man who has had a hard life (not always of his own making) and in spite of his ignorance, has his moments when he sincerely tries. Plus, I really do think he geniuninely wants to see me and his grandkids.

I don’t resent the fact that at this point in his life, he’s so fucked up that he cannot sustain a relationship with much of anyone (particularly a long term relationship), and that his source of companionship are his dogs. I get that and accept it for what it is.

I don’t resent that he’s so insecure that he’s never managed to figure out that being alone doesn’t always equal loneliness, and that for him, loneliness has always been a factor, regardless of who is or isn’t in his life, his house or his bed. If these two dogs temper some of that loneliness, then I don’t resent him for grabbing at it, in spite of how much of an irresponsible pet owner his is or isn’t. Frankly, he’s 1,200 miles away and I don’t particularly care much one way or the other, especially since I don’t have to deal with on a daily basis.

What I do resent is someone–anyone–who disregards my explicit instructions when it comes to my home. My home is my oasis, and I don’t take the invasion of such lightly. I’m a fairly non-confrontational person, open to negotiation on just about anything. Contrary to what might appear so in this thread, I rarely dig in my heels and refuse to budge, but when I do, that’s it. When I say no (which is rare), I mean no. Since, I don’t have many hills on which I’m prepared to die, I recognize them when they do come along. This is my hill on which I’m prepared to die.

Good luck, phall. And hang tough, sister. :slight_smile:

FWIW (i.e. nothing), I think you’re handling this mess very well, phall. Nobody can force feeling or a happy past that isn’t there. Unfortunately nobody can forcibly insert understanding into another person’s head or heart. It sounds like you father is a rather sad case. Whether he genuinely doesn’t get your inability to house his dog or he just doesn’t want to hear it, the fact remains: your lease says you can’t and the dog couldn’t be trusted around your cats. Anybody who suggests crating a dog for more than a few hours or to sleep overnight hasn’t considered how frightening and upsetting that would be to it.

Your father might be messed up but as the old saying goes, you didn’t cause it, you can’t control it and you can’t cure it. The best you can do is what you’re doing: try to craft a way to make his visit as pleasant, or at least bearable, as possible.

And wow, do I ever hear ya on the distance thing. I moved 450 miles to get away from my mother. It wasn’t enough. When she died I was mostly sad because of the wasteland she made of her life.

I went through a similar situation years ago with my husband’s mother, only it wasn’t dogs, it was smoking. My husband had just quit smoking and he told his mother that she could visit but couldn’t smoke in the house. She said okay, then came and smoked in the house, chain-smoking in the guest room.

That plus a few other things meant my husband never permitted her back in the house. She never got it and never will.

It’s really a very sad story. Your father is acting somewhere between total jerkishness and total cluelessness. I really feel mostly pity for him.

It’s too bad that he equates being alone with loneliness. All the worse that he resents feeling that way and yet almost purposefully drives people away. There’s got to be a name for that psychological phenomenon.

Please disregard nyctea - she’s adding nothing of value to this thread. You know your relationship with your father, you know why things are the way they are now - you don’t need to justify yourself here.

Preach it.

Marvelously put. If there were room for another line in my sig, I would be honored to use this.

For some reason, in this country we put a value on women who bend over backwards and break every rule, make every sacrifice for the men in their lives. We do the same with parent-child relationships to a degree also. It simply isn’t always a healthy dynamic.

good luck phall, let us know how it works out - don’t want to have to see this in that “how did it end” thread :smiley:

We are now officially in Count Down To Dog (not). He was supposed to leave around 1:00 today from Arlington to Harrisburg, and was to call before he left. No phone call–although I’m hoping that he’s changed his mind and isn’t coming, I know it’s most likely that it’s just another example of thoughtless behavior on his part and he just didn’t call.

:dubious:

Yeah, for those men dieing in coal mines and wars its all sunshine and roses :dubious: