Actually, it doesn’t. It’s the abuse of the appeal system that costs the money.
There is no excuse whatsoever for anyone being on Death Row for decades like they are today.
If people are not ANIMALS, then unlike ANIMALS that get a quick, clean death when they go horribly wrong and rip somebody’s face off, humans that go horribly wrong and practice rape/murder/mayhem should be locked in a cage until they die? Yeah, real humane. We treat animals WAY better than we treat humans in a lot of ways.
I oppose those ‘3 strikes’ laws, too: When it comes to violent crime, one strike is plenty.
Capital punishment wouldn’t ‘cost more’ if they got right down to it and did it like they’re supposed to, instead of giving our vilest criminals infinite appeals until they die of old age, arguably in better prison conditions than most of their peers who commit lesser crimes like having a tiny bit of pot in their pockets.
Put them down the same day as the sentence is announced, and it is cheaper than keeping them in prison for even ONE DAY. A few $0.30 bullets, or re-use a noose, or a few dollars’ worth of drugs. Take your pick. If it costs $40,000 a year to keep them in a box, then it costs over $100 a day to keep them alive and suffering.
If you pay the hangman a decent wage, and keep him busy, then you even get an economy of scale.
Let me know if you think it’s an abuse of the appeals process if you’re the one appealing.
I bet you would gladly volunteer to do the job too.
I dunno about him, but I’d do that job for a ridiculous amount of money. I figure I can convincingly fake how emotionally traumatized I am, take advantage of society’s squeamishness and get six figures, easy.
ANY type of violent crime is likely to cause emotional or psychological trauma.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone on this board try to convince people to “keep the hangman busy”. Frankly, that’s a bit of a frightening thought.
Classify them as mentally ill, put them in highly secure hospitals and give them treatment. Only release them if their compulsions are ever cured.
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If keeping criminals locked in a cell was truly less humane than executing them, don’t you think we’d have fewer death row inmates filing appeal after appeal after appeal? Why do you suppose they aren’t opting for the more “humane” treatment (i.e., execution)?
3 strikes laws don’t have anything to do with violent crime.
And of course all the innocent people who get killed your way are expendable, right ? If you get convicted because you are poor and are assigned a public defender that sleeps through the trial or is a drunk, too bad.
You could even extract their gold teeth and render the convicts down for candles and leather. And wear stylish uniforms with armbands while you do it.
Der Trihs: Boy oh boy! I’m unabashedly for capital punishment, and that makes me a ‘nazi’? Godwin’s law has been invoked: I WIN!
LilShieste: People on death row allow multiple appeals because they have nothing better to do with their time, and it’s FREE (for them).
Mosier: Well, OK then. Just parolling rapists, killers, etc. like we currently do. Will that make you less afraid?
gonzomax: Good steady government work with a pension, but I must pass on your kindly offer of employment.
Monty: I’m not the one appealing, and never will be. I don’t have gang affiliations or go around stabbing or hitting or threatening or whatever else. I even drive like a little old lady. It seems pretty damned unlikely I’ll ever be in that position.
Let me make this perfectly clear: Just kill them.
Given the choice of rotting in prison for decades for lawyers to to screw around, or immediate death, I’d personally choose immediate death.
Under the current laws a ‘death’ sentence is nothing more than being put into an elite club where you get private accommodations in prison, and infinite appeals fought by higher-powered attorneys than the usual P.O.S. in prison.
If (as an example) Jeffrey Dahmer had received the so-called ‘death penalty’, he would almost certainly still be alive and into his tenth or fifteenth appeal, with his lawyers still spending millions of tax dollars trying to get him RELEASED.
Capital punishment is the ultimate punishment without appeal. If you’re going to have capital punishment, do it right, which means DO IT RIGHT AWAY.
Let everyone on hand at the trial, the judge, jury, prosecutor and defence, and all of the involved parties be witness to the punishment the very same day.
For the guilty, swift justice.
For the innocent, an end to the unthinkable ordeal.
How do you know you never will be? There is such a thing as people getting arrested based on false accusations. And some of those people have even been convicted.
And it seems that you’re the one who invoked GL. You’re the one saying those people aren’t people.
That’s only because of the appeals process, not because it costs a lot to execute them. It just costs more to keep someone in solitary on death row while they are in the process of appeals.
Let’s go ahead and kill the innocent? What the hey?
“It’s not Godwinizing when one side starts building concentration camps”, as a poster here once ( more-or-less ) said, quoting from memory.
What do concentration camps have to do with this thread?
Shouldn’t the age of the rape victims be a consideration in deciding the severaltie of the punishments?
If this guy had raped 45 grown women or men then I agree the sexually assaulted victims won’t be 'ruined forever," then maybe giving him the equivalent sentence as a murder would be “unfair” .
But if some or all of the 45 victims were innocent children that this serial rapist and/or pedophile assaulted, shouldn’t the punishment be stiffer/harsher ? These children very well could be ‘ruined forever’’ because of the attack .
What would decide at what age a child becomes an adult ? Every state has an ‘age of consent,’ that would basically be the rule of thumb in determining if an assault was a rape of an adult or child.
I do feel an attack on a child is worse in every way then an attack on an adult and should carry a stiffer/harsher penalty.
IMO a person who will rape/assault a child ,is if not worse, then is no different then a person that will commit a murder.
T, that’s not the point. I pointed out the obvious Naziesque attitude behind “kill them all and screw the innocents” attitude, and he/she pretended that meant he/she won the argument. Which demonstrates just how much Godwin has been corrupted into what it was supposed to fix, by the way; it’s become a way of shouting people down.
And some of those people are filing multiple appeals because they have been wrongfully convicted. You know, the whole point of the appeals process.
You do realize the egocentricity of this statement, right? You might choose immediate death, but a lot of people would choose differently (myself included).
Wow, it’s a wonder we don’t have crowds of people actively trying to get into this private club (that is, just to be in the club). Of course, you could just be grossly misrepresenting the actual situation.
It’s like stepping into a time warp. I can’t wrap my mind around the concept of completely doing away with our appeals system. I can’t fathom being OK with executing an innocent person, thinking “eh, whatever it takes to get those murderous SOBs.”
The “unthinkable ordeal” being eventual freedom?