Althouht most of America has heard of FEMA, I would hazard a guess that you didn’t know just how much power they really do have. This is some really “Spooky Mulder” stuff. Oddly enough, this article fits too nicely into the HomeLand Security mambo jambo. Read this article with an open mind and do your own homework
Some people have referred to it as the “secret government” of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. Military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
What is the debate here? The “article” you’ve linked gives ample information for you to research this question and answer your own titular question. In addition, FEMA has its own website. You may want to take a look and get back to us when you have a specific position.
I figured the strangeness of the information would be enough to create the debate itself, please forgive me. With all the issues of Homeland security and the tightening of our borders and Constitutional rights at every effort, could there possibly be something brewing under the surface?
Take in consideration that on 9/11/01 some fools slam jets into the Pentegon and the World Trade towers in New York and the forth into the field due the courage of the men and women onboard who fought back. Since then, Al Queda has slithered back into the cracks and now America is running around settling past scores with countries whose stance towards us is unfavorable. Don’t you find it somewhat strange how nobody is really screaming too loudly to find the man who’s plan it was to kill over three thousand Americans in one day? The nations best guess is that he is either dead or rode off on a camel at night into the mountains under the cloak of darkness.
I find this conspiracy theorey stuff more entertaining than true, but let’s assume for a minute that their is a Shadow Government and they are out to control the world. How could they do it?
This is merely for arguments sake and not my personal opinion but bare with me for a moment.
Let’s assume that this Shadow Government wants to take control of the nation and the eventually the world. First, they would need to scare the world into believing that the world is too scary a place to be so free. Enter ex-CIA operative Osama Bin Ladin. He takes out the World Trade Towers and the Pentegon and brings fear into the minds of the American people and tip toes back into the abyss. Americans everywhere want answers and heads on a stick. With all our fear of being next and anger for our losses we fail to logically realize that the Constitution is being slowing taken away from us. Right after the 9/11 tragedy, the Anthrax scare comes into play in act two and again we come up short on answers and prosecutions. The fear in America again grows and we once again miss the slide of hand. Citizens of this country are being held without representation and nobody really cares since they are of Middle Eastern decent and probably in on it anyway. Not every Middle Eastern Muslum is a terrorist yet many were rounded up, questioned and detained without legal rights. Now this might not concern you if your not Muslum or from the Middle East be keep in mind that any law that passed today that might not concern you now may have some heavy bearing on your life later.
George Bush address the nation and tell us that this is war against the Axis of Evil and not just Al Queda. With that speech, he basically gives himself a get out of jail card for not finding Bin Laden and also the opportunity to settle daddy’s score with Iraq. Granted, Saddam Hussien is an asshole but the weapons inspection team are having one hell of a time busting him on anything. Could this be a staged war whose final outcome will be the global control of all oil in the world by one nation?
Keep in mind that George Bush Sr. used to be assistant director of the CIA and the CIA is heavily tied to oil companies like Zapata Oil(George Bush) and Haliburton Oil(Dick Chainey).
This current administration has much to gain from the control of the oil of the Middle East. Keep in mind that the CIA are masterminds at staging coups all around the world. Look at what is happening in Venazuela. They are the fifth largest oil producing nation in the world. Look how buddy buddy Bush and Vicente Fox of Mexico are recently. Mexico has large amount of oil in a region called Chipas but it is contolled by the indiginous Indians and removing them from their land would cause world disapproval unless they could part of the Axis of Evil. Keep on eye on that region of the world.
So if this is all part of staging for world domination, the Shadow Government would eventually have to surface and take control. If that is true, how could they do it? The Federal Emergency Management Angency. FEMA is the last piece of this covert worldwide puzzle.
I know this issue is up there with the JFK assasination and Bigfoot, but don’t you find it strange that the fanstasitc make more sense in what the hell is going on right now than what we read in the papers and on CNN…
I don’t think I’m ready to build a bunker in the Nevada and wait this one out just yet but I do find it kind of strange that this scenerio seems to fit so easily. I just was wondering what you think on this little scenerio of mine. On the issue of FEMA having their own website, that’s nice and all but I don’t think they would post their plan for world domination if that was their plan anyway. Peace out Brothers and Sisters.
Resolved: A shadow US government exists, intent on world domination, and FEMA is an arm of that government.
Subtopic: 9/11 and the “Axis of Evil” comment were gambits of this conspiracy which will ultimately lead to relocating the indigenous population of a Mexican region and claiming their oil reserves through some unprecedented and extra-legal invocation of the Disaster Relief Act, mobilizing the awesome power of the Federal Emergency Management Agency outside the borders of the United States.
Just wanted to make a couple of suggestions. Firstly, if I were you I would be highly skeptical of ANY unattributed, unfootnoted articles found on the 'Net. The article you linked makes a large number of unsupported assertions, many of which outright false. For example:
It’s quite certain that there is no such thing as satellite imagery that can “read the articles of the newspaper on your doorstep”. There have been numerous threads on this subject in the General Questions forum, as recently as a week ago. You might want to avail yourself of the search function to find this material if you are interested.
Basic information about the maximum resolution of satellite imagery is easily available to the public, and any responsible journalist would have taken the time to verify the above statement before committing it to public scrutiny. If the author got this basic fact wrong, what does it say about the other supposed facts in the article?
The question of the various Executive Orders which supposedly define FEMA’s broad powers also has been dealt with here. If one actually reads the text of these orders (why does the author not link to them, since most are available on the 'Net?) you are likely to find that their meaning varies considerably from what the anonymous author of the linked article claims.
My next comment concerns the conspiracy literature in general. The linked article provides no direct means to verify ANY of the assertions in it, from allegations of FEMA’s powers to whether or not underground bases under UN control actually exist on US territory. You might want to ask yourself, “what basis do I have to believe any specific claim in the text?”
To use Occam’s Razor on your premise that FEMA may have secret, extrajudicial powers, I note that you state:
If FEMA already has the broad powers (apparently including military and police functions!) alleged in the article, of what need is the Homeland Security Agency? If FEMA supposedly has the authority to usurp elected government, why has it not done so?
Finally, a couple of style points: 1) most posters in this forum tend to look askance at OP (original posts) that consist mainly of cut and pasted text, with some variant of the statement: “read this and comment”. Basically, you are asking us to do your research for you. I’m gone on at length because you are new here, but the sort of OP you’ve come up with is likely to do little more than provoke a few smart-alecky responses.
I’d go easy on the colored text if I were you. A little of that goes a long way.
Sorry, one or two more things that didn’t make it into my previous post:
The conspiracy theory that FEMA is some sort of dictatorship-in-waiting predates 9/11 and the Homeland Security fuss by many years. I remember seeing similar unattributed articles about this whne I first obtained 'Net access in the early 90’s.
Currently, FEMA has a staff of a mere 2,500 – hardly enough to mount a shadow government, IMO
While you’re at it, why not assume NASA faked the moon landings, Elvis is alive and the Pyramids were built by aliens? Your assumption is sufficiently nutty to call your entire premise in question.
Had you been born 30 years earlier, you’d be warning us about the Trilateral Commission.
As for what the hell is going on at FEMA, I daresay they’re a bunch of well-intentioned government employees that do a difficult job under trying circumstances, like firemen or cops.
Greetings EL Kabong,
Please don’t take this too serious or assume I really believe a that FEMA is out to take over the world but sometimes you have to entertain some strange theories to find out the truth. I am full aware of where I found this article and that the site itself seems quite fantastic but FEMA did really screw the pooch in Florida during Hurricane Andrew and the National Guard had to build tent cities to compensate for FEMA’s pooch screw. Therer were some eyebrows raise about FEMA after Anderew by congress. Do a search engine search on the subject and you’ll see that there are some serious questions about the money management of FEMA. The really do have a classified buget in the billions of dollars and really do have unoccupied camps around the country for reasons unexplained to anyone. When Dick Chainey went on hiatus after 9/11 headed didn’t go to Norad or some military underground bunker, he went to Mt. Weather in Virginia which is controlled by FEMA. These statements are facts that can be crediably proven. FEMA is really a strange entity and is quite a fun research project on a bored night when you can’t think of what to research. Check it out and form your own opinion. This secenrio is mainly for entertainment and comtemplation.
The easiest way to conceal a lie is in plan site of everyone.
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Iraq does not contain all the world’s oil or most of it. Even if the US invades and wins in Iraq, it would not, in any meaningful sense, control Iraqi oil unless it, say, made Iraq a US territory.
That’s Halliburton and Cheney. BTW, Halliburton is an oil field service company, not an oil company. In other words, Halliburton provides various engineering services, primarily well cementing and drilling fluids, to oil companies.
Sorry, but I don’t think you currently have enough knowledge of the basic facts to make any of this worth pursuing further.
Not to mention that FEMA does not have a management role at wildfires. They can be managed by the Forest Service, the Park Service, the BLM and state agencies or any combination of the above. The only thing FEMA does at fires is determine what, if any, emergency assistance will be provided to local residents.
Classified or unspecified? Part of what FEMA does is enable recovery from disasters. Having some pretty large pools of cash for assisting cities rebuild infrastructure and homes would be expected. It would also be damn near impossible to predict what specific form those expenses might take, making determining their breakdown impossible.
Also if someone told me FEMA had “camps” I would imagine they were some kind of emergency relocation facilities or backup bases of operations in the event that a primary FEMA facility got whacked by a disaster.
Frankly, it doesn’t much bother me even if FEMA is a world-dominating organization that’s going to come relocate me into a concentration camp. But that’s only because I can spray huge founts of fire out of my eyes using my supercharged amygdala, incinerating hundreds of their shock troops in moments at a whim.
So it’s all the rest of YOU peons that I’d be worried about.
—The Executive Department is one of the three branches of government as defined by the US Constitution. No agency has more power than its parent delegates to it.—
Of course, you shouldn’t simply dismiss the idea out of hand that an agency can be delegated powers that the parent never rightfully had in the first place. It may not make justified legal sense… but then when has that been a sure barrier to malfesance?
Just to flog the dead equine a little more, if a president-turned dictator wished to sieze absolute control in the US, all he would have to do is trump up a reason to declare martial law. Who cares, in the end, which agency happened to assist with administration of said law? At the sharp end would be personnel of the DoD, not FEMA.
Anyway, as stated previously, FEMA consists of a miniscule 2,500 personnel. To anyone who wishes to claim that FEMA could somehow take over the country, I’d have to paraphrase Stalin and say, “how many divisions does FEMA have?”