Explain to her that the Republicans are just afraid that someone else will move in on their territory.
I LOL’ed.
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But I have an even bigger desire. I want to be young again. I hate being in my 60’s. I identify myself as a teenager. I am Transteen. I want my dentist to put braces on my dentures. I will apply ‘pimples’ on my face with makeup and then I want to be admitted to high school and be accepted as a 16 year old student.
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Actually, I think you have made a fresh perspective on mind/body transgender issues.
I feel like I am still the same person that I was in college. Just trapped in a fragile wrinkly shell. I think similarly, I have the same interests (although they are now buried beneath familial obligations, work, and other issues of an adult’s life), and it gets annoying when people constantly treat me “like an old person” rather than “like the young person I know that I am.” Sure I know that even if I feel like it inside, actually wearing the clothing from Forever 21 would not be flattering on my figure. But the ~Trans~ part of your identity as a Transteen is just that, a signifier to the outside world that your mental model of yourself is more important/true/definitive of yourself than your outward appearance/biotruths. In that way, we are all Transyouth, in that we all tend to think of ourselves as younger than we really are, and would prefer that others treated us that way. Getting Old but Still Feeling Young - The New York Times
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the average gap between chronological age and subjective age was 13 years. Among study participants who were particularly healthy and active, the gap between subjective age and actual age was even wider.
Researchers say the data are important because cultural expectations of people during their older years often are at odds with how seniors perceive themselves. […]
“This concept of how you feel about your age is so important and defines, in a way, how we act,” Dr. Smith said. “If you self-define yourself as someone who is old, then you probably act that way.’’
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This is all being wrapped back into equating our thoughts on our subjective/objective age with our thoughts on our subjective/objective gender. Why is one no big deal while the other is worthy of abusing others over? Why is one something healthy and accepted, while the other is met with a wall of intolerance?
Is it in seeing Trans issues as a harmful mental health issue to be stamped out at its source? There are ways that our own subjective mental age can be a mental health issue. The "I Feel Like a Child" Syndrome | Psychology Today
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It’s probably universal that former negative beliefs we had about our limitations […]can yet hinder us from seeing ourselves as the more or less competent, resourceful adults we’ve become. […] as long as that insecure “child fragment” still residing within us hasn’t been made privy to all the changes we’ve accomplished since that fragment was us, then stressful situations will continue to make us vulnerable to the same insecure feelings that “afflicted” us in growing up. On such occasions, we’ll internally “harass” ourselves by identifying with an image of self that is as uncertain and self-critical as it is out-of-date–an image that has been (or should have been) superseded by now.
Experiencing ourselves at a core level as though we were still children is apt to render us indecisive, helpless, or prematurely impel us to suspend our efforts on a task, pursuit, or even relationship. In the moment confusing our present-day self with an earlier, less capable self, we may also–regressively–be driven to look for another person to rely on (reflecting old dependency needs); or shy away from accepting a responsibility that now seems intimidating and makes us feel overwhelmed (reflecting our insecure inner child’s need for external direction and authority). In short, our brain has been hijacked–sabotaged by that earlier part of us who was never quite able to “merge” with the adult we eventually became.
When we speak of “getting our buttons pushed,” what we’re really talking about is a circumstance that’s provoked us principally through re-stimulating old doubts and anxieties. Our emotional equilibrium temporarily thrown off balance, we feel compelled to go into self-defensive mode. And this irresistible impulse to protect our suddenly re-experienced frailty can take many forms, some of them not particularly obvious. We might, for instance, be driven toward aggressive verbal combat (as in, “the best defense is a good offense”); or we might strive ardently (even desperately) to justify ourselves; or we might feel a tremendous pull toward retreating from this upsetting situation altogether.
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Now I here people say that the answer to Trans thinking is like how we should stop “feeling like a child;” in that, the inner subjective child should be made aware of the physical realities (making it grow up to be the objective adult you). However, I feel that “adult” is mostly a state of mind and bag of learned tricks to deal with situations, rather than the state of one’s body.
But, if you all would kindly skip down to the guevedoces quote, you will see that even being raised since birth and treated as a girl for 12 years, was not enough to reconcile half of the intersex cases with their bodies. Some found that they were indeed girls, and had surgery to re-orient themselves when their bodies insisted they were men. For others It took their body changing into a male for them to be at peace with themselves. Their hormonal experience in the womb shaped their brains to prefer boy or girl things from birth, and as we are our minds (we would still be ourselves as a brain in a jar or transplanted into an opposite sexed dolphin or whatever, right?) our bodies are merely cloths that we can now thankfully change out of an in to. I feel that to mistrust a trans-person is similar to mistrusting someone saying they are not hot even while wearing a sweater in summer. It is just their state of dress and their own body telling them what feels good for them, if they want to change it, it is on them and none of my business.
Does not having a 1-to-1 correlation of mental/physical age make old people who prefer to do “young person” things “wrong?” Does it make a person “wrong” if their ideas about their self does not exactly match up with physical truths? Should society tolerate or shun grandmas playing video games instead of Bridge? Should we pressure a child who is mature beyond her years to give up on doing what she thinks is important and force her to play with Barbies instead? What if that little girl preferred to play with trucks and hated wearing dresses, is she a deviant deserving of re-education now?
What should be listened to and respected, and what should be ignored and “cured?” A person telling us that they do not feel like their biological sex or chronological age? Whether a person has a penis/vagina? XX/XY chromosomes? How about some real world examples, where in the Dominican Republic there is such a community that has children born intersex at such a rate that they gave it a name Guevedoces (penis at 12) The extraordinary case of the Guevedoces - BBC News
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Like the other Guevedoces, Johnny was brought up as a girl because he had no visible testes or penis and what appeared to be a vagina. It is only when he approached puberty that his penis grew and testicles descended.
Johnny, once known as Felicita, remembers going to school in a little red dress, though he says he was never happy doing girl things.
“I never liked to dress as a girl and when they bought me toys for girls I never bothered playing with them - when I saw a group of boys I would stop to play ball with them.” […]
We also filmed with Carla, who at the age of seven is on the brink of changing into Carlos. His mother has seen the change coming for quite a while.
“When she turned five I noticed that whenever she saw one of her male friends she wanted to fight with him. Her muscles and chest began growing. You could see she was going to be a boy. I love her however she is. Girl or boy, it makes no difference.”[…]
the reason they don’t have male genitalia when they are born is because they are deficient in an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase, which normally converts testosterone into dihydro-testosterone. This deficiency seems to be a genetic condition, quite common in this part of the Dominican Republic, but vanishingly rare elsewhere. So the boys, despite having an XY chromosome, appear female when they are born. At puberty, like other boys, they get a second surge of testosterone. This time the body does respond and they sprout muscles, testes and a penis.[…] most Guevedoces live out their lives as men, though some go through an operation and remain female. […]
hormones in the womb matter more than rearing when it comes to your sexual orientation.
This is still a controversial topic and one I explore later in the film when I meet Mati, who decided from the earliest age that though “he” looked like a boy, Mati was really a girl.
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Here we see that if we had listened to and respected the children’s views about themselves, they would have been “made” male a long time before puberty made it obvious to others. Are we honestly to say in these cases, that because the children lacked a penis/testicles that they were indeed female until puberty gave them one? Or are we going to shoe-horn all of these children into the male gender because they all have XY chromosomes, despite the fact that some in the article chose to be reassigned as girls after puberty, and in this other article, we see that around HALF of those with 5-alpha reductase deficiency (all XY’s) still identify as girls after puberty 'Guevedoces': Rare Medical Condition Hides Child's Sex Until Age 12 | Live Science
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Although most children with this condition are raised as girls, about half identify themselves as male after puberty, the NIH says.
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If the issue is that a person’s outwardly Objective biology (XX XY, having a penis vs vagina, physical age) trumps the Subjective truth of their own mind (how young we feel, what gender we think we are); then people with progeria must be treated with equal respect and benefits as any other elder, at the ripe old age of 5. Progeria - Wikipedia
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Children with progeria usually develop the first symptoms during their first few months of life. […] As a child ages past infancy, additional conditions become apparent […] the condition causes wrinkled skin, atherosclerosis, kidney failure, loss of eyesight, and cardiovascular problems. Scleroderma, a hardening and tightening of the skin on trunk and extremities of the body, is prevalent. People diagnosed with this disorder usually have small, fragile bodies, like those of elderly people. […] stiff joints, hip dislocations, and other symptoms generally absent in the non-elderly population. […]
Mental development is not adversely affected; in fact, intelligence tends to be average to above average. With respect to the features of aging that progeria appears to manifest, the development of symptoms is comparable to aging at a rate eight to ten times faster than normal.
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Do we agree that through Mitosis and Meiosis each cell spilts/copies/transposes different parts of the chromosome’s genes onto different parts of other chromosomes (they do, look them up)? And if we think that XY makes a definitive Male no matter what, and XX makes a definitive Female no matter what; then how do we reconcile our thoughts with this research? Does having a Y chromosome make someone a man? | Intersex Society of North America
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the SRY gene on the tip of the Y chromosome helps to send the embryo down the masculine pathway. But more than the SRY is needed for sex determination and differentiation […]
the SRY gene can be translocated onto an X chromosome (so that a 46,XX person may develop along a typical masculine pathway), and there are dozens of genes on chromosomes other than the X and the Y that contribute to sexual differentiation. And beyond the genes, a person’s sex development can be significantly influenced by environmental factors (including the maternal uterine environment in which the fetus developed). […]
Researchers in England took a laboratory-made copy of this gene and inserted it artificially into a female (XX) mouse embryo at a very early stage of development. The mouse was “converted” from female to male, so the gene must have been responsible – right? Well, maybe not. A few years later, a similar gene was found on human chromosome 17. When the important part of this gene was inserted into a female mouse embryo, the same thing happened. Voila! A male.
So now we have 2 genes that can turn a female into a male, and one of them is not located on the Y chromosome! How can that be? It turns out that SRY is probably just a facilitator that allows a more critical gene (or genes) to function, by blocking the action of another opposing factor. Can the magic of genetics do the opposite – turn a male into a female? Indeed it can. A gene on the X chromosome (the chromosome one typically associates with “femaleness”) called DAX1 when present in double copy in a male (XY) mouse, turns it into a female.
So now we have genes on the Y that can turn females with XX chromosomes into males and genes on the X that can turn males with XY chromosomes into females… wow! Maleness and femaleness are NOT determined by having an X or a Y, since switching a couple of genes around can turn things upside down.
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So again, I want to thank you 12mgdaily for starting this thread and for making me think about trans issues in a new light. I hope I have somewhat ordered my thoughts in a convincing manner. I suggest that your first step towards being an out and proud transteen is by playing the new Pokemon Go on your smart phone and watching Let’s Plays on Youtube (that is what the kids are into these days right?). I am very interested in your response if you could give me one, thanks!
Transmission … Hydromatic 450 … with a Rocket 455 front end …
Me too! Exactly!
There’s an old “Shoe” cartoon by Jeff MacNelly where The Perfesser is ogling girls, and Shoe tells him to act his age. He responds, “This may be a ninety year old body, but it’s still me in here!”
I think that considerations of trans issues should be governed by the principle that it’s not the body, it’s what inside. Thus for many decades and perhaps to this day Rolls Royce has been transfixed about making beautiful bodies with fabulous General Motors transmissions inside. Rolls uniquely transitioned a trans-brand technology across a transatlantic divide into a transformative use of a trans-organizational transmission.
Certainly such a declaration calls for something, if not at least a deep breath and a shot of vodka.
Wow, you’re really a dick, 12mgdaily.
Well I’ll grant the OP was placed appropriately in the Pit, showing at least awareness of how deserving it was of scorn, opprobrium and accusations of various offences against intelligence (starting with the very ignorant and false first sentence).
I am very interested in your response if you could give me one, thanks!
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I will respond to your post TipTapTwo. I enjoyed reading what you wrote. It was very enlightening and interesting. I knew the facts but the various stories presented a fine personal quality. I personally.
It’s difficult to understand the workings of the mind even under the beat of circumstances. In this completely black and white format, devoid of facial expressions and inflections of the voice, it is challenging really know what people are trying to convey. It really is my honest opinion that we should all be able to be whatever we deeply feel inside. And as long as that desire doesn’t come at the expense of harming another, we should all offer acceptance.
4 on the floor
Trans Am, totally old school, with a big block and fat meats and high-octane go-juice at under a buck.
No need. Chris Hansen will have a crew there.
Don’t need to change. I’m already a Translator. They let me in the guys’ bathroom and nobody even knows !
TipTapTwo, that was a great post.
So does that mean that you’re going to start offering acceptance to all the transgender people who are just trying to live their lives? Because actually offering acceptance means accepting them as the gender they identify with, and refraining from belittling them like you did in your OP. If so, that’s great! More power to you.
Drunky said something funny. I’d say this thread is working.
Try again.
Give him a break-he’s a transintellectual.
Did you really and truly actually read that post? More importantly, did you understand it? I think TipTapTwo and the OP are one and the same entity.
Like a moron and an intellectual joined at the hip?