All of this is 100% untrue, in my experience, unless you have a very different definition of “big money” than I do. An ex-girlfriend here in the small towns of the American Midwest was a stripper and I spent a lot of time surrounded by her and her co-workers at various clubs. Of the dozens of strippers I met, there was only one that would turn tricks on the side.
My girlfriend certainly made enough money between tips and convincing customers into to buying her “drinks” that there was no need to prostitute herself. Nearly 100% of the other strippers I met felt the same way.
Here’s my personal experience. Most strippers are not prostitutes. Some are. Anyone claiming every stripper is a prostitute or no stripper is a prostitute is wrong.
And a stripper asking for six hundred dollars? For that kind of money, prostitution is almost certain.
If you want to get laid, explore your local call girl community. Once you find the real pros (not the amateurs or scam/robbery artists), you can get a nice warm set of sheets for $2-400, without hours of being pickpocketed and led on to very little payoff.
People who spend time in strip clubs and the like to do anything except buy overpriced drinks and stare at porn with a heartbeat are deluded.
While it may make you feel better that your ex-girlfriend (according to you) didn’t turn tricks, it really doesn’t jibe with economics of strip clubs.
Let’s review:
A stripper has to kick back anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of her tips to the average club, nightly. If they choose not to, they are either not put on the roster that much or they are fired. They also have to tip out the bartenders, the DJ and the bouncers who escort them to their vehicles. Even if they earn $500-700 a night in tips (which is about the most any outside of major cities, resort areas and boom towns will make) after settling up, they are left with what amounts to a normal salary for most people, if not slightly higher.
In most cities and with most clubs, strippers can’t work at other adult businesses. If they do and they are caught, their main club will fire them. Some clubs also don’t like their performers to do private strip shows as it steers customers away from the club. That’s another reason for a firing.
That leaves the following methods for strippers to earn extra money:
[ol]
[li]Find a rich benefactor who will tip you extravagantly every night and yet not expect anything but your “company” - That’s a like a lottery win and won’t happen for most.[/li][li]Sell drugs to customers and other dancers/bar personnel - Lucrative, but most clubs will immediately fire you if you are caught. Also, depending upon who owns the club, this may earn them anything from a beating to worse.[/li][li]Sleep with the manager - A limited option as there are more women than interest for most club owners. And a good businessman isn’t going to flush his money down his employees or he won’t be in the strip club business for long.[/li][li]Work as many nights per month as possible - However, with menstruation, that’s not a possibility for most women.[/li][li]Turn tricks - The option which allows the dancers to keep the most money.[/li][/ol]
Now…let’s see…
Which option are most dancers going to try?
That’s a toughie….
Oh, certainly. I’m fully aware that the “going rate” for the real hookers/call girls is about 200-400. Also, they are offering their services in a private place with a bed, etc etc.
Hence my extremely raised eyebrows at a stripper offering something “worth it” at $600. See, in Houston the police do make busts, so none of these girls ever spelled out explicitly what they were offering. So, doing the math, I could not figure out why they thought anyone would take them up on the offer. I mean, each lap dance was about $20-$30 and lasts around 5 minutes. Plus, a lot of girls will talk for a bit before each dance. So the actual “hourly rate” of a stripper is really perhaps $180/hour. Now she’s asking me to spend $600 for presumably a time period of much less than 3 hours…not seeing the value in the proposition unless it’s some good stuff.
So whatever they were offering must have been pretty amazing, but I just can’t think of what could be worth it…
No, I was one of the cops laughing his ass off at the guy complaining that the hooker didn’t give him his moneys worth!
One time we had a guy wanted to make a complaint about a hooker who said she’d let him pop twice but after he came the first time she split. We told him that was a civil case and he should get a lawyer and sue her!
By your logic, you could “prove” that most bank tellers are prostitutes. As you noted, most strippers make a decent living just from tips. So why assume they’re selling sex for “extra money”? Some do but the majority just live on what they earn from stripping.
Fantasy. Anyone who visits a strip club has fantasies that center on a hot, built, young half-nekkid broad throwing themselves at you… well, there ya go.
“Ethics.” Having a situation with a bar dancer go… “too far” just kinda happens, y’know? It’s not like you picked up a hooker with the intent to ram it to her.
Ignorance. Hookers are sleazebags in alleyways; call girls cost half a year’s salary and only exist in big cities.
I’m not advocating anyone do anything illegal (or even cheat on their others), but if you’re looking for straight-up sex and can live with the ethical issues… at least look for it in the right places. Strip clubs are about as far from the right place as the local junior high.
No, it isn’t. I’ve known strippers that were never touched by the clientele, and I’ve known prostitutes that have never taken off their clothes on stage.
Sorry but this is definitely not true in all major cities. In the Detroit area, practically all the strip clubs (especially the “upscale” ones with attractive girls) are pseudo-legal brothels.
I’d guess for $600 you were either being offered sex or being offered an opportunity to be scammed out of $600. The reason it’s so expensive is the same reason the drinks are expensive - if you’re thirsty now, you’ll pay it. If you’re intoxicated, it may even seem like a good idea.
I would consider the $600 to be mainly going to a bottle of “premium” champagne. You say okay, head back to the room, there’s a bottle of fizzy something just opened, and they want your credit card for the opened champagne. No backing out if it’s opened, right? Just ask Dolph the bouncer.
Most strippers work 1-3 nights per week. Most nights are slow outside of major cities,resort areas and boom towns. On the slow nights, they still have to tip out and they have to kick back their tips to the club. That leaves the majority with roughly what they would earn from an average job as take home pay.
If they piss off the club owner, they get fired and have to find a new gig. In a town with only a few clubs that can be difficult as the largest club owner may secretly control all of the clubs or the other clubs may be smaller, and the dancers will earn far less. In a town with a lot of clubs, if you get fired too many times, you get a rep as a “troublemaker” and you don’t work much, if at all.
Also, I’m not certain if you have been to strip clubs outside of a major city,boom town or resort areas, but most are DEAD Mondays through Thursdays. And since everybody wants to work the weekend ( the busies time) and most strippers aren’t the club’s “rainmakers”, somebody has to “bat second” (read: work during the slow weekdays) meaning that even less money still is being earned.
Finally, to be very blunt, most strippers are not well versed in “money management.” Since they are paid daily when they work, the majority rarely save very much money. It’s often a depressing and degrading job, so many “party hearty” to forget about what they are doing. Or they have a boyfriend/SO who isn’t working and they have to support him/her. Or they have kids and they have to support them. Or they have a drug/alcohol habit and they have to support that.
The old saw about “stripping to get through school” is usually just that: an old saw. Most women going to school (to be very blunt) aren’t attractive enough to earn a good living being a stripper. Most of the ones who are attractive enough can usually find other methods to pay for school which don’t including removing their clothing. That leaves a tiny minority of women who have decided that stripping and all it entails is both a wise career choice and a lucrative profession.
Most of them are wrong about.
So…for roughly $400-500 a week TAKE HOME, women are going to dance 8-12 hours a day, 1-3 days during that week. Where’s the confusion again about why some of them wouldn’t turn tricks to make extra?
I think the old saw is because it’s easier to portray the cliche of the “sexy young woman doing what she has to to pay for school / a kid / brain surgery” as a stripper than a hooker.
And yeah, most of them don’t have the brains of a catfish, especially about money and money management. Even the ones who don’t spend it all on drugs.
Or, like most guys, they are just looking for a fun and legal night of drinks, hanging out with friends and staring at some titties.
The answer to the OPs question is “depends”.
I can’t say what the OP would have gotten for his $600. YMMV at any given club and so on.
Go going back on my first post, check this out hot off the presses:
***A man claimed an escort was rushing him after he paid for one hour with her and she wanted to leave before that when police responded to a 911 call March 23.
According to the Oak Creek police report:
Police responded to a 911 call from a room at Value Inn, 9420 S. 20th St., at 12:45 a.m. March 23. During questioning, a man admitted to contacting a woman on a website for prostitutes, and stated he was upset because she was rushing him after he paid $200 for one hour with her and she wanted to leave before the hour was up.
The woman was cited for prostitution (escort license required) and the man was cited for disorderly conduct.***
And this happens alllll the time. Dumb asses routinely call the police to complain about a hooker ripping them off, not doing what they want them to do, etc… A guy can’t make it up!
To repeat my question, why don’t you believe every woman with an average job is turning tricks? They’re in the same financial situation as you say strippers are in.
Your theory seems to be based on your belief that strippers are sluts, are stupid, do a lot of drugs, can’t find any better work, are supporting their lazy boyfriends, etc.
I’m not convinced by nevadaexile’s claims, but bank tellers (for example) don’t have the same opportunity to sell sex on the side that a stripper does. A stripper is likely to be surrounded by drunk, horny men who are in a cash-spending mood. A randomly-selected strip club owner / manager may or may not approve of his employee propositioning customers, but he’s far more likely to approve than a randomly selected bank manager would be.
I was a driver for almost 10 years starting in the early to mid 80s, the northern half of New Jersey, Staten Island, and lower New York State. So; go-go bars, a handful of full nudity “juice bars”, and topless bars in NY.
One prostitute (who was more rumored to be than we’re actually know this),
one former prostitute,
less than a dozen that would do “side work” at bachelor parties,
out of the ~400 - 500 women that my brother was an “agent” for, over more than a decade.
Absolutely none of the bars that I was familiar with would have tolerated, for a second, any dancer soliciting in their bars. Their liquor license was far too valuable and under constant threat of loss for things like “flashing” and dancers allowing too much contact when taking tips.
Any general statement about “strippers” is, almost, always wrong!
