You’re right. Apparently the ratio is much higher than 10:1.
"Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm. "
Well making some changes to your OP I think that you are ignoring that Bush never stopped to consider that Saddam was not our problem. Just as the Syrian Civil War is not our problem.
This is utter self serving bullshit. First, it ignores the fact that we weren’t really interested in installing a democracy, we were interested in installing a puppet regime with the trappings of a democracy. Second, it ignores the fact that America has no legitimacy as a democratizing force in the Middle East and that we undermined the democratizing elements withing the Middle East. Once the US invaded, proponents of democracy were suddenly seen as mouth pieces of US imperialism.
It’s idiots like you and Chihuahua who have no understanding of the outside world, but are so fucking sure or yourselves and what needs doing (that is, what brown people need killing) and then when we point out that you fucking idiots fucked up you get all “I’m tired of talking about the past.” Well guess what, I’m tired of dumb asses like you spouting your idiocy like you know something. Just once, I’d like one of you self assured pieces of shit to say, “actually, I’m always wrong on this type of thing, I’m going to sit this one out.”
Why do I care so much? Because I was in Iraq for two and half fucking years trying to clean up your fuckers’ messes and I know a shit ton of people who got killed because of assholes like you. We broke the Middle East, we won’t recover from the blunder, but I will not let you fuckers re-write history. You idiots act like ISIS just kind of happened because Arabs are jealous of us, or whatever racist bullshit Chihuahua tells himself so he can sleep at night.
I can not take seriously people that make arguments like this one by ignoring that removing a dictator was not the only thing that was done, in reality the disbanding of the army in Iraq (A decision made by the Bush administration) and the murder of many in the opposition to the new more Shiite government caused many of the Sunis to look for options outside democracy.
That I do think that the ones that made that choice deserve fire from above does not take away the realization that we could had avoided this by not intervening in the first place. What I see is that now as ISIS is being beaten back many Shiite militias are finishing the cleansing of Sunis in Iraq.
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The rise of ISIS, explained in 6 minutes (by VOX)
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In the few short years since the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria formed, it has done the seemingly impossible, seizing vast areas of the Middle East to form a mini-state it calls a reincarnation of the ancient Caliphate. It is at war with all its neighbors and virtually the entire world, yet someone remains, and is launching increasingly deadly terror attacks abroad.
To understand how this terrible group came about and how it has grown so powerful, you need to understand the story behind its rise. And that is a story that goes back decades, to long before ISIS existed
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Hey smelly, us peons aren’t making the decisions. Why don’t you stop being a Nazi and Nazi-ing up the world.*
*If you’re not living in Germany anymore lemme know so I can insult you retardly properly.
Bullshit. Worse: old, recycled bullshit from another miserable military adventure. How do I know? Because it would have been reported, and having been reported, Fox Gnaws would be all over it, trumpeting it, yelling their heads off about it.
This is a common occurrence? Then how is it you can’t cite it? Did the all powerful liberal media crush all such reports? Leaving only you to advise us of this dreadful truth? What, you can’t advance your position without making shit up?
I hang out with lots of liberals, and I’ve never been criticized or attacked for being a veteran. Quite the opposite, in fact - even though I’ve been out for several years, I still get lots of “thank you for your service”.
Yeah, I can just see it. A bunch of pacifist spindly entitled vegan America-hating Social Justice Warriors see his buddy walking around in uniform, and get so angry they decide they’re gonna kick his ass.
Didn’t happen. You know how I know it didn’t happen? Because it’s ridiculous.
Well, let’s see. Half my age, maybe a third. Combat trained, I got tai-chi. When the cops get there, I get my ass kicked again on the way to the hospital, or jail. Lastly, next time I shave, I look in the mirror and think “Well, I had it coming.”
*Combined, drone strikes on Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen have killed 2,736 to 4,169 militants, according to the New America Foundation.
Meanwhile, those strikes have also killed hundreds of civilians. Estimates range from 488 to 1,071, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.*
John Mace was responding to a claim that drone strikes kill 10 civilians ( or more ) per militant. The above cite does not contradict his skepticism. I’m not in favor of the tactic myself as a general proposition. But hundreds of civilians dead is bad enough without exaggerating the scope of the tragedy.
Watch the video, those numbers included “fun sized terrorists” A.K.A. Kids, as “militants”. The 10:1 is also more related to Obama’s use which is more and more commonly assassinations of potential militants outside of conflict zones. The numbers above are old and mostly discredited due to newer leaked documents.
FYI, as an example on how utterly bullshit the official “militant” claims are. If you live in the same town as someone who has actually served time and been released, we will still kill you, your neighbors and their children and not give two shits about it.
The worst part is that americans look the other way, because the lives are of foreign brown people. We bailed too early from iraq due to our casualties which do not even amount to the loses in most battles in ww2 for the entire Iraq war.
As Americans we do NOT have any high ground in this mess, from the point of invasion to today we, as a country, have been doing evil.
We like to pretend that we value life in general, but we only value our own which is no different than ISIS etc…
We pretend that the unjust killing of western people on TV is so evil yet we do worse. In some ways ISIS is being more honest in at least they are showing the public the ugliness of their evilness vs hiding it from view like the US government.