Over in Beck’s thread about “Turks & Caicos Islands, luggage and bullets”, she’s wondering about travelers getting busted and sentenced for ammo in their luggage:
So someone corrects her error (that ammo is different than guns in the eyes of the T&C laws) and she responds by saying she’s not “gonna” get into a big gun law debate? Why post if you’re “gonna” reject someone answering you? Why would anyone want to answer her if that’s the response they’re gonna get?
But, it’s not what I asked. Of course they’re free to say what they want.
But, I’m free to not want a gun debate or talk about something completely different. It coulda been little Debbie cakes T&C didn’t like, for all I care.
Everyone knows you shouldn’t have those in your suitcase.
Do you not understand that he answered your specific comment? You’re the one who implied that ammo isn’t guns. He replied that while they’re treated differently in the US, they’re treated the same in most other countries. Hence T&C’s strictness. Then you just dismissed him.
I’ve talked long ago about how I think this board is often lousy at advice threads. A whole lot of indignance happens when someone won’t do exactly as they’re told.
But can y’all please not make fun of them in their own thread?
Both seem to be saying that this poster is like a stupid character in the movie. That’s an insult.
I actually wonder if they abandoned the thread after that. When you keep on trying to communicate with people and they keep insisting that they know better, and then they actively mock you? Yeah, that’s not a good place to get advice.
Using media to mock people outside the Pit isn’t good. I don’t understand why that’s controversial. We’re not a chan board.
I guess I look at it that way, yeah. For me the most important thing is the solid community we’ve built up here that helps you out at a time like that. That’s what humanity is all about.
Overall I agree w your larger point. And that the Office Space digs were uncalled-for and arguably Pit-worthy transgressions.
OTOH … Asking for advice includes expecting to hear advice you don’t welcome.
OPs who respond to uncomfortable advice by saying in effect “That’s really uncomfortable to hear but I admit you might / probably have a point” fall into a very different camp IMO from those who say in effect “La la la! I can’t hear you! I’m only willing to entertain advice which assures me I’m handling this perfectly and all advice MUST ignore all the elephants in my room, just as I do.”
That OP has aggressively pushed back on every attempt to point out her very obvious elephants.
Perhaps it’s wiser to do as I did and leave that thread as the work of a hopeless loser bent on career suicide, rather than continue to engage and let one’s frustration with the wilful blindness boil over into Pit-worthy snark in a non-Pit environment.
Since we are actually in the Pit here & now …
As to that particular OP & thread I now actively want them to get fired short of their goal as an object lesson.
It takes a lot to convert my default goodwill-to-all into me actively hoping somebody gets the painful beating with the cluestick they so desperately need. She managed that rare feat. F*** 'em.
Beck, I usually support you in these confrontations, but come on – “Aww. Tay-tay concerts cancelled in Austria” makes it sound like you have less than zero concern for thousands of fans who are not only terribly disappointed, but probably very rattled about what might have happened, such as being killed by terrorists. There were three Taylor Swift concerts cancelled, so many thousands of fans that you seemed to be sneering at. Not a laughing matter. Not a good look for you.
The character of Milton isn’t characterized as particularly “stupid”. He is characterized as being disproportionately obsessed with something that is ultimately of little consequence to anyone but him (his red Swingline stapler) and as someone who is subject to the whims of a chaotic and dysfunctional organization without any agency to change it. The stapler is a symbol of his only sense of control.
In contrast Joanna (Aniston) understands her job is just a means of making money to pay the rent and that most jobs come with day to day frustrations. But she also knows she is not indentured to the Chotchkie’s Corporation and has no problem quitting when she no longer feels she can no longer working under those conditions. Although I do think she could have handled the conversation differently as it went from “so you want me to wear more pieces of flair” to “fuck you” pretty quickly". But I suspect at that point, the flair thing was the last straw.
Peter (Livingston) is similar to Milton in that he feels like he has no agency and is subject to the whims of his boss. He’s internalized and personalized every interaction with InaTech to the point where it’s ruining his life both at and outside of work. Embezzlement / cyber-fraud subplot aside, Peter only becomes more relaxed and actually more successful at work when he speaks openly and candidly to The Bob’s about his job and detaches himself emotionally from chaos of his workplace.
As someone who works as a “Bob” (management consultant) IRL, I get to meet a lot of people in a lot of companies and learn a lot about how they work. One of the challenges with working in large corporations is that people do become emotionally vested (invested? both seem applicable) in their jobs and careers to the point they become all-consuming. Mostly because corporations are designed that way.
Which is the case with the OP of the other thread. His manager tells him not to do XYZ, stop doing XYZ. He should not be obsessively going behind her back because he thinks it’s helping other teams. If those other teams need that TPS report so badly, tell them his circumstances and ask them to make the request to his boss. Let her SEE him doing this as it shows she can trust him to follow instructions and makes everyone aware of this operational need.