Just to clarify, some of us are annoyed with Beck for shitting up FQ and the Pit and don’t really care about her opinion on side-job sex workers.
I’m currently mad at her, for her bullshit attention junkie behavior in 2 Pit threads and others and for insisting she deserves special treatment and anyone insulting or criticizing her is because she’s a woman. That seems really insulting to everyone else when it is clearly wrong.
Oh, and I despise the “bless your heart” passive aggressive shit she broke out lately.
I don’t think I have once said that she can’t be called out for behaving like an asshole. My very first post was that the point had been made, and that I didn’t understand what the people who were piling it on were trying to accomplish. I think some things that were said were well over the line.
Yes, I think talking about the anal sex habits of an older person (who doesn’t want to talk about them) falls into that category.
Yes, I think doing so with a person who is going through some major medical issues is even more unjustified.
Basic decency.
I know this is the pit, and people can do what they want. But, I just don’t understand why?
It’s basic decency to not being a slut-shaming bigot.
If she’s healthy enough to post slut-shaming and bigotry, then she’s healthy enough to be called out for it. If she’s healthy enough to pollute the Board with narcissistic dimwittery, then she’s healthy enough to be Pitted for that too.
Any time her age and health make these things difficult for her, the solution is entirely within her control.
No, I got that you feel that way from your previous post. What I’m looking for is the logic behind that stance. Like, when you say “older person” - older than what? The person making the insult? If it turns out I’m older than Beck, does that mean I can say whatever I want to her? Would that make you the bad guy for calling out an older person on their lack of “basic decency?”
Great. And she’s been called out about 145 times now (I haven’t counted. I pulled that number out of my ass). Are we going for 200? Until she apologies? Until she agrees? Until she quits?
Which I meant to be agreeing with the opinion that people had made their points and should let it die; while including myself in the people who disagree with at least one thing Beck said. I’m not necessarily agreeing with anything else mjmartin said, either – in fact I’ve been arguing with them in this thread recently.
I was raised in general not to treat people like shit. I try but may occasionally fail to live up to that; but I don’t think it’s worse to treat people like shit if they’re grandmothers than if they’re six-year-olds, sixteen-year-olds, twenty-six or thirty-six year olds, or for that matter childless or male.
I have met an occasional person who appeared to think they deserved respect for their age while they were shitting on the people they wanted respect from. I did not agree with them.
And we were taught as small children not to hit people over words. Grownups ought to live up to what they teach the kids. It is not more grownup, more manly, more womanly, or anything else to go around punching people. It’s the excuse of a two year old – ‘I had to hit him, he called me a name!’
I don’t know enough about that particular case to comment. But that toddler was produced by two people having sex, and very likely sleeps in the same house with those people every night, and is probably given baths by them or by other people who have had sex.
If the camera in question is beamed into the classroom, that’s a different issue.
If they’ve got the sense to get a ride home, then they can make at least one competent level headed decision even while drunk.
Despite which I would certainly want to make sure they weren’t getting drunk on the job. And if they habitually got into drunken arguments, I wouldn’t feel I could be sure of that, because that indicates a probable addiction; and an addiction would indicate a likelihood of being drunk and/or hungover on the job. Without some other evidence, I don’t think that having sex, even on camera, indicates a likelihood of doing so in the classroom. I don’t know whether there was further evidence in the specific case.
I think that talking about the anal sex habits, or other sex habits, of ANYONE who doesn’t want to talk about them is over a line. At least, if they’re not actively trying to make other people’s habits illegal while doing the same thing themselves; I’ll make an exception for that.
Why do you think it would be fine to do so to a young healthy person?
But in any case crossing that line doesn’t excuse punching out teeth.
I don’t understand people’s insistence about its being Really Important that they be allowed to say “fuck” on this board. I mean, if it’s allowed, I’ll do it sometimes; but I don’t understand throwing a fit about not being able to to so in a public place. But I’m not going to throw a fit about people using it, either.
I was somewhat confounded to find myself in a place with a forum dedicated to crossing lines. But I’ve found useful things about the Pit, so I post here. One of the useful things about it is that I can say when I think somebody’s crossed one; which I have done in this thread. But I don’t see that this line has anything legitimate to do with age, state of health, or having had fertile descendents; and I do also say that knocking out teeth IRL would cross a considerably more serious one.
It’s seems like this a pretty normal organic social reaction to me, there is no “plan” for what anyone expects to happen.
When someone stubbornly keeps spouting condescending reprehensible views, absolutely refuses to hear any polite or patient explanation of why their view is problematic, throws bigoted abuse back at anyone who dares to criticize, switches into persecution mode to evade any accountability… what do you find surprising here? The natural next stage to someone refusing to listen in civilized discourse is a wake-up call that it makes people angry. That’s what the Pit is for. She can take something from that or not.
Not to call out any one poster, because there could be more than one, but I’d really like to see FQ be more F and less MPSIMS all around. FQ is one of the main reasons I’m here. I get really annoyed with responses that are essentially long-held beliefs and old wives tales rather than factual, knowledgeable answers.
Then that should be moderated as inappropriate. If posters have reported it and there has been no mod response then open an ATMB to discuss mod inaction. If it is consistent threadshit and no one has reported it? Well …
All’s fair in internet flame wars. I’d just caution folks to take it easy… IMO, vitriol is generally bad for the vitriol-giver barring the most worthy of targets (i.e. Trump, Hitler, James Woods, etc.).
Seconded. I don’t post often but I frequently browse this board for light and often informative reading. I’m not looking for an argument, or to take sides, but just want to point out a couple of things:
Some of the hostility in this thread today is quite extreme. I’ve fortunately never been angry enough to flame someone online (or in person) like that and and cannot imagine doing so over differences in opinion. Is it really worth spending one’s time on flaming someone online? We only get a finite amount of time and we don’t get any time back.
There are many posts to FQ that are not strictly compliant with the purpose of that forum. So much so that I don’t think it’s fair to single out anyone over it. I’m probably guilty myself.
That’s true, but the instructions are to stick with factual answers at first. Once the topic has been answered, it’s okay to joke around (provided other people are in on the joke). I’m sure there’s some leeway.
Hi, you don’t know me even though I’ve been around here for a bazillion years. I very rarely post. Anyway, I am a woman and find you vicious, obnoxious, hateful, and filled to the brim with misogyny. Too many people are defending you due to some sort of unearned deference due to you cutesy-ing up MPSIMS on the regular. I agree that could be ignored, but you post like “your opinion” is the truth and any woman disagreeing is too dumb or young to know better. Lady, I am guessing I am your age and your opinion is toxic and slut-shaming. The martyr complex is just the shit icing on the cake.
Before you rush in with more of your victimhood, I am no “pick me” and side-eye most opinions men have on women until I trust them and that takes some time. You are just as bad as the pick me women because you are still taking down women for your own sense of superiority.
With this topic driven into the ground, maybe we should talk about something else. Like maybe The_Other_Waldo_Pepper just coming out and saying genocide is fine with him.
If this sounds like I’m exaggerating something he said, I refer you to the Hamas attack discussion thread post 3463 or 3606, depending on how you count.
In a previous thread on immigration, he came out and said that killing immigrant children in order to stop the “invasion” was acceptable. I think he is a genuine, no exaggeration sociopath, and is number one on my list of people who should be banned for just being a horrible shit of a person.
No argument here. I’ve interacted with plenty of people who hold those views, but typically they try to mask them with BS like “I hate it, but it’s the only way to stop Hamas/stop the illegal immigration/etc.” He is unique in my experience in that he is openly and proudly sociopathic.
TWOP is yet another one of those posters who I don’t think belongs in this thread. Because he’s a troll.
I don’t remember why exactly I put him on ignore, but that by itself is telling: generally, if I put someone on ignore for any reason other than being a racist, homophobe, transphobe, or similar kind of bigot, I remember them. So, for example, I know why I put DrDeth on ignore: it’s because he pissed me off one too many times with his “gotcha” (but not really, because he doesn’t know WTF he is talking about) style of posting.
But TWOP? No idea why I put him on ignore. So it must be that he is some manner of extraordinary bigot. In which case, he belongs in the troll thread.