The protestors got what they wanted. They punished “Genocide Joe” and “Holocaust Harris” for the crime of not completely capitulating to their Tankie nonsense; mission accomplished.
These viral tweets demonstrate that attitude quite well:
Now, is Trump actually gonna be able to convince Egypt and Jordan to accept a million Palestinians? LOL, no. He couldn’t build a wall in his own fucking backyard, how’s he every going to do that? But it just goes to show you the stupidity of the people who turned against Kamala over this.
Well, he may be able to convince Egypt, since they are heavily reliant on US aid. They were one of the countries that kept their aid in the pause on foreign aid under Trump.
I think Israel was the other one. Once again not a peep from the likes of Rashida Tlaib.
Egypt lost Gaza in '67 and they very deliberately did not take it back in any of the peace treaties that followed, unlike the Sinai. And it’s not because they don’t like beach front property. Egypt very much does not want the headache of governing the people of Gaza, whether they come with the land and doubly so if not.
Trump couldn’t bully Colombia and Mexico to take his military planes carrying refugees; he’s not going to bully Egypt into doing something they have been so opposed to for so long.
Not to mention we wouldn’t even be in this place if Harris won. What do Rashida Tlaib and her protesters have to say about that? They could have at least had some voice in a Harris administration, now they have nothing.
Which is the same I see and hear from them now, nothing.
The main problem is they helped screw over the whole country with their issues with Harris. I am truly amazed on how any one of them thought Trump would be better, but here we are.
I’m lying, I do understand why, and I’ve said it many times before. It is a fundamental lack of understanding US culture.
All of these non-European phenotype immigrants to the US think that if they cozy up to US white supremacy, they will be ok since the don’t look black. You won’t, they hate you too. They will never accept you. This is the reality of the US and you made a big mistake thinking you would find a friend in Trump. So, you didn’t vote for Harris who would have been much better than Trump on issues like this.
The US has a long and complicated history with black people, and if any non-traditional European phenotype immigrant thinks they well get points siding with white supremacy, you won’t. You will be used and discarded.
Let me just stop anyone saying that I’m racist. I stand with the Palestinians, but I do not stand with Rashida Tlaib.
She and her followers totally ran down Harris at her nomination. That was straight bullshit and made us look weak in the face of a known bad threat. Lost a swing state we should have won because of her.
Now I don’t hear anything from her. It’s easy to go after someone that may actually listen to you.
Rashida Tlaib should be voted out of office in her next election and replaced with someone that will fight when it’s hard to fight.
Yep, Even here people were saying they couldn’t vote for the dem ticket as biden didnt do as much as they wanted him to do- even tho he got an aid package to Gaza and two ceasefire agreements thru the UN, approved by Israel and nixed by Hamas. They wanted him to lose the Jewish vote by illegally stopping all aid to Israel.
that was Nour Zeidan. I dont even know who that is. However-
Tlaib said the omission “made it clear with their speakers that they value Israeli children more than Palestinian children”.
“Our trauma and pain feel unseen and ignored by both parties,” she added. “One party uses our identity as a slur, and the other refuses to hear from us. Where is the shared humanity? Ignoring us won’t stop the genocide.”… “Trump is a proud Islamophobe + serial liar who doesn’t stand for peace,” Tlaib posted on X. “The reality is that the Biden admin’s unconditional support for genocide is what got us here. This should be a wake-up call for those who continue to support genocide. This election didn’t have to be close.”
Frankly in the other threads ISTM you refuse to acknowledge that Israel has done anything wrong, or at least consider the civilian deaths as in line with most conflicts. If I’ve got this wrong please correct me on this with any example of serious criticism.
So what’s the difference now? Hand Bibi a billion bombs, how’s that going to make anything worse? It’s not like he just bombs civilian neighbourhoods without specific intelligence on a Hamas target and doing all he can to minimize civilian casualties, right?
Well, first of all, Hamas attacked israel. Remember that- and caused many atrocities, took many hostages, who were mistreated. Hamas nixed two UN ceasefire deals.
Now, I will agree that Netanyahu has obviously not cared about collateral damage/deaths. That’s on him.
The difference now? Will trump send aid to Gaza like Biden did? Will he chide Netanyahu? Will he cut off aid- even for a very short time like Biden did? Will he broker deals with the UN for peace? And Netanyahu didnt seem to care about collateral damages/deaths- but at least the IDF tried to hit real targets- that could change to “bomb them into the stone age”. Israel did let in some aid trucks- that could stop.
Biden could not LEGALLY unilaterally cut of aid to Israel for any long period. Of course, trump doesnt seem bound by that he can and can’t do legally.
Biden did everything he could legally do to get a ceasefire. trump doesnt give a shit.
In reality, there isn’t a huge difference, because Israel was never remotely interested in genociding the Palestinians; but anyone who thinks that is something Israel wanted should be shitting themselves, given that Trump is pretty clearly supportive of the idea (and back in reality, more so than any but the most unhinged Israelis).
Correct; Israel has certainly made some mistakes, but all in all the handling of the conflict is very much in line with prior wars against insurgents under similar conditions.
You’re right, there isn’t a difference. Israel isn’t going to genocide the Palestinians no matter who is in the White House; you’d need a Prime Minister Smotrich or Ben Gvir for that scenario to arise, and anyone familiar with Israel’s internal politics knows that this would be about as likely as getting a President Jill Stein.
But if you had the sort of Israel that had a Prime Minister Smotrich at its helm, and the “Israel is Genociding” crowd clearly thinks that a Netanyahu at the helm is already enough, then Trump clearly would be far worse, because as he’d made it abundantly clear that he would totally approve of such behavior.
That was the plan. They weren’t going to get a satisfactory answer to the Israeli-Palestine conflict no matter who was elected, so they chose to hurt the administration they thought was responsible knowing full well a Trump regime would be worse for Palestine. When I was a teenager I would sometimes do the same thing, just make it miserable for everyone involved even if it made things worse for me. I think they call it cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I’ve probably had to say this half a dozen times already, but I’m not sure if you’ve asked this, so I will take it as a reminder in good faith.
Yes I condemn Hamas and the events of oct 7th, and haven’t forgotten.
Thank you. I think even calling them collateral deaths is giving too much credit, but that’s just a semantic difference here, at least you can acknowledge that it’s not the case that great effort has been put into preserving civilian lives.
Right; there will indeed be some differences. As much of a staunch ally and Zionist that Biden was, Trump has zero concern for human suffering, or ethics or international norms. He’s totally transactional, and Israel has both the money and the support of the conservative base that Trump wants to keep on his side. All bets are off.
The point I was putting to Babale was a bit different to this, I wasn’t claiming that there would be no change.
Cool so you agree with my summary of your position.
But I am putting to you that your rhetoric makes no sense here, we can address if other people aren’t making sense afterwards.
You seemed to be summing this up in a “leopards eating faces” way; that the people who failed to vote for Biden are getting a comeuppance now. But under your understanding of the situation, Israel is a good faith actor here, and being given a free hand, and a shedload more weapons, should therefore make no difference.
You can’t have it both ways.
The Pro Palestine crowd was super opposed to Kamala and in part because they didn’t like her policy on the Palestinian conflict. Hence, “GAZA is speaking”.
In some tiny part thanks to their efforts, Trump won, and there is now a guy who casually muses about removing 1.5 million Palestinians at press conferences in the White House. Yikes!
Thankfully, Israel is in reality not the blood thirsty monster that exists in the heads of Pro Palestine protestors; so the fact that Trump is the sort of person who muses about ethnic cleansing is a bit less tragic and a bit more humorous than it would be under the conditions where something like that might actually happen in reality.
Trump is holding a press conference right now with Netanyahu and it looks like Trump has solved the whole thing:
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the US “will take over” the Gaza Strip, after saying earlier that he doesn’t think there is a permanent future for Palestinians in Gaza.
“The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too,” Trump said during a joint press conference alongside his Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu. “We’ll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings.”
Well, that was easy! Who knew peace in our time was as simple as a real estate deal?