Um, no it doesn’t. Pagans say that there are many ways to the goal.
I have heard it translated as Father, or even ‘Daddy’.
Also some translations of the Lords Prayer I have heard that the word “Daddy” fits better then ‘Father’.
As for if they are the same ‘God’, well I guess if you accept throwing out the book that the religion is based on and make up your own book and call it the same you’d believe anything
You are thinking of the work “Abba”, which does translate to something like “Daddy”. Jesus refers to God as Abba on several occassions.
Mark
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Mark 14 [Context] [Commentary]
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And He was saying, “Abba! Father! All things are possible for You; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will.”
Romans
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Romans 8 [Context] [Commentary] -
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”
Galatians
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Galatians 4 [Context] [Commentary] -
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
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Um, yes it does, since not all polytheists are pagan.
Try reconciling the statement I quoted with the various nuances of Shinto, Thai animism, Tin Hao, Vietnamese animism, Chinese animism, Bön, the Polynesian mythos, Maori religion, the hundreds of gods in hundreds of Australian aboriginal cultures, the hundreds of gods of New Guinea, African animism and fetish cults, cargo cults, etc. etc. etc.
You mean like the Christians did?
“Ooops!”
I would probably ask God what religion he follows. The dude has to be wondering who created him by now.
“In the beginning it was dark, then Og created the first god in his image. He named him God and it was good.”
Then when God points you to Og and tells you about how if you are good in the afterlife and follow the tenets of Og, you can go to Og-heaven. Which is where you can ask, “Og, what religion do you follow? Who created you? After all the first question man ever asks is ‘How we got here?’ and as men we were created in the image of God, who was created in the image of you, so you must be wondering too by now…?”
At which point Og tells you about…
Isn’t there one or two Christian denominations that don’t consider Jesus to be God Incarnate?
Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God. All of those faiths believe in the unity of God, and very few people who actually understand the origins of these beliefs would argue that they all see the same God.
The question here, though, is one of practice rather than faith. The OP includes the following part of the question:
With this in reference, you don’t even need to start considering this a Christian vs. Jew vs. Muslim question. Christian denominations have been saying something similar for centuries–if you don’t worship God the way they believe you should worship God, then you are doomed to hell, regardless of how real your faith is and how you choose to act on that faith. Islam and Judaism have their own versions of this (Shi’ite vs. Suni, Hassidic vs. Reformed, etc.)
If a Christian went to Heaven and discovered that Islam was the true religion, he would not be automatically consigned to Hell for being a Christian as long as he had led a righteous life and worshipped God the best as he could. Worshipping Jesus is seen as an error but not a fatal one unless you have been fully instructed in Islam and deliberately choose to reject it after having a full understanding of its precepts. For the most part, worshipping Jesus is considered to be a mistake of ignorance not malice. Islam does not teach that you have to be Muslim to go to Heaven.
Right, so that’s the same God who is part of the Trinity, then, along with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit? The same God who, in his aspect as Christ. indicates that there is no salvation but through Jesus Christ?
Yeah, that sounds like the same God.
As for what our benighted Christian would say, only one word would be appropriate.
D’OH!
I had thought that the Jesus’ teachings were part of Islam? (I.e. that Mohammed was the next profit after Jesus.) As such, needing to follow the teachings of Jesus is no issue to be saved is equally true for any Muslim as a Christian. Assuming that Jesus the Profit actually said that of course and it wasn’t words put in his mouth by his disciples.
Yeah, believe it or not. This topic was just covered on a Catholic radio show I listen to, where a listener introduced basically the same skepticism you have–how the heck can we say a Muslim worships the same God, a God we hold was manifested in Jesus Christ, a notion they reject. The answer was that Muslims worship the same God, albeit with certain profound misunderstandings about that God’s nature and acts.
If you hold that both groups are simply attached to a particular mythology, then I guess I could see how after certain divergence–when Zeus starts sounding more like SpongeBob when group B describes him–we’d roll our eyes and say, look, it just ain’t the same god any more. But if you hold that this one, true God exists, then it’s more reasonable to assert that we believe in the same God–a supreme entity, omnipotent and omniscient–though his mysteries and complexities have obscured the perception of one or both groups.
Ask your Christian friend if he believes that Jews worship the same God as Christians. The same theological differences could be pointed to between Christianity and Judaism as between Christianity and Islam, yet you seldom hear Christians denying that the Jewish God and the Christian God are the same.
There is no question that Muslims worship the same God of Abraham and Moses that Jews worship. Either both Islam and Judaism worship the same God as Christians or neither do. Your friend can’t have it both ways.
I take your point, Stratocaster, and, of course, historically the three religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, are friuts of the same tree. But I still don’t think it makes much sense to describe the God of the three faiths as the ‘same God’.
They have different credos, different paths to salvation, different front men and different, inexorably opposed, followers. If this is the same God we’ve got a serious case of split personality here.
Muslims believe there have been three great prophets: Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. They believe that Christians are mistaken in worshipping Jesus as God, but still believe he was a great and important prophet. Interestingly enough, Muslims also believe in the Virgin Birth (but not the Resurrection).
I for one am not trying to have it both ways. There are similarities, of course, between the Jewish God and the Christian one. But I don’t believe they can sensibly be called the same deity.
The greatest stumbling block is the fact that the Christian God is a Trinity of godheads. The Jewish God is one, sole and indivisible. OK, you could call these points of doctrine, but then religion is all doctrine, and if we follow that road eventually we could enfold Krishna and a dozen other deities in our ‘same God’ descriptor.
I just think it’s a meaningless concept, unless you’re talking in historical terms, which we decidedly aren’t in this thread.
Nevertheless, the vast majority of Christians do not have a problem with identifying their God as being identical to the God of the Hebrew Bible. Muslims do the same.
Jehovah’s Witnesses & those Unitarians who still consider themselves C’tian.
The former hold to an Arian view- that the Son is the first & highest creation of the Father, and that together, the Father & the Son both created everything else.
The latter can hold everything from that view to just JC as an exalted man.