"What'cha Doin', Sarah?" "Reading John O'Hara."

" . . . He’s nice, too . . . He’s nice, too . . ."

So, while visiting my Mom last week, I found a 1947 Avon paperback copy of John O’Hara’s Hope of Heaven (1938)—one of my parents must’ve picked it up at a dimestore the year after they were married. Anyway, I enjoyed it: good, hardboiled trash, snappy and dark and depressing. Can anyone recommend other John O’Hara books? I struggled through Butterfield 8 and didn’t much like it, except for the grisly death scene at the end. I’m not much on short stories, but are any of his other novels worth investigating?

I felt that Appointment in Sumara was OK and honestly, I kind of liked Butterfield 8. It didn’t bowl me over, but as I said “I kind of liked” it (my problem was I kept trying to get the picture of Liz Taylor out of my mind). But if I were going to pick one you might like Eve, I would say From the Terrace. Check it out, and see what you think.

TV

A double “r” in Sumarra you idiot.

I also just remembered that O’Hara did Pal Joey as a novel originally and when I read that book years ago I felt it was wonderful.

TV

Actually, it’s Samarra

Sorry, thought this would be a thread about Allan Sherman. Maybe another time.

::scowls, slams door::

Thanks—what are Appt. in Samarra and From the Terrace about, plotwise?

“Originally published in 1934, the book was widely praised – and widely condemned for its frank language and subject matter – yet it established O’Hara as a major American writer. A savage novel of self-destruction, APPOINTMENT IN SAMARRA is the story of three days in the lives of Julian and Caroline English, the leading couple in the smart set of Gibbsville, Pennsylvania.”

– from the front flap of my Modern Library edition.

I read it about five years ago, and I can barely remember any of the plot details. I do remember that it was a grim and depressing read, about a broken marriage and adultery and alcoholism…

Julian is one of those youngish upper-middle-class Prohibition-era drunks who’s constantly got his nose in a highball glass. “If booze is this hard to get, I’d better lap it up at every opportunity…besides, it makes me a REBEL, right?”

It showed up at #22 on the Knopf list of Best Novels of the 20th Century, for whatever that’s worth.

Oh, and if you don’t get the reference in the title, pick up a copy in the bookshop and read the short epigram by W. Somerset Maugham…it’s the best thing between the covers…and then you can put the book right back on the shelf.

Grim? Depressing? Alcoholic self-destruction? I am so there.

Add New York City and you’ve got From the Terrace. But I question the intelligence of taking the advice of a guy who takes three tries to spell “Samarra” correctly.

Well, the library is holding Appt. in Samarra for me (I’ll pick it up Monday after work), and if I like that one, it’s From the Terrace next—thanks, all!

—Sarah Jackman

I’ve been away for a while, and I came back for a quick browse at the right psychological moment. I hope.

My dear Eve; we are talking here about My Favourite Author!

A man almost completely forgotten by this century, most of whose books are out of print and yet who struggled diligently and triumphed repeatedly with his craft. A man who aimed to present a body of work that would preserve the flavour and fascinations of a particular time and place, O’Hara was trying to be the Balzac of small town, early twentieth century America.

For me, a recent joy of moving at last into a permanent address has been the unpacking of the books I had in storage. All my O’Hara novels in paperback, and the hard-cover versions I am gradually acquiring through second-hand shops.

Grim? Depressing? O’Hara is a morning at nursery school compared to The Shipping News, or any book of Scottish short stories.

What he really had a talent for was dialogue. His characters are alive through what they say, and often you can follow half a page of unattributed exchanges without the slightest confusion as to who exactly is talking.

He was a master of the short story, and his stories were a staple of The New Yorker’s early years. He’s often been anthologised. He had a particular knack for the story where the pay-off was so subtle that many would be puzzled by it. For example, one story ends with a character leaving his apartment, with the bow on his hat on the wrong side. The subtle pay-off (and I had to be told this) is that somehow that character is so out of touch, either through drugs or drink or mental disability that he has put his hat on backwards without noticing it. And hence, all he has said so confidently during the preceding three pages is suspect, because he isn’t as in control of himself as he says. It changes much of the tenor of the story.

But he wasn’t always so subtle.

He also verbalised and made specific the sometimes odd realities of sex and sexual attraction, in a way that no other writer of the time did. Sex suffuses many of his novels, but not in the loathsome “here’s the obligatory inflammatory sex scene” way that those airport novels do. He makes men and women’s interactions an open part of the dynamic of relationships. it sounds dry to say it this way, but in the books it is just interesting and enlightening.

And he had a damn good understanding of how communities work. “Appointment in Samarra” is really about one town. It’s strung around the story of Julian English, whose short life is explored in a way that tells us about a whole society.

Repeatedly he shows a grip of how politics in small towns works, how and why some towns thrive and others fade, how the very rich aproach life, and what their challenges are, and even how the system works in the Hollywood of the Big Studios.

Dear Eve, I suggest the book for you might be “The Big Laugh”. It’s about a young man who becomes a Big Star in Old Hollywood. There’s a moral sense underlining the writing, but it’s aware of the ironies of life. When the young man is a bastard, he’s successful. When he tries to be decent things go awry. The book itself isn’t as simplistic as that. I like it because it’s filled with believable stituations and people and has a nice gritty sense of time and place that is very convincing.

The effort of finding it might be rewarding.

Another favourite, also tinged with Hollywood, is “Sermons and Soda Water”. These are three short novels in one volume, realted by a central character and a heme, or a tone. The Holly wood story in this one concerns a movie star wrestling with mid-career issues, aware that obscurity is a constant possibility, and that tactics and strategies can contribute more than looks or talent, in the struggle to remain a Star. These stories also have a sense of hope that is appealing.

“From The Terrace” is huge, but it’s not his masterpiece, and I suggest you try shorter (and in my opinion better) books first.

And a good Hollywood short story is “Yucca Knolls”, featuring a character who has much in common with Marjorie Main. And another who has much in common with DW Griffiths. And their lives in an exclusive housing development, post-Hollywood.

John O’Hara. One day the bandwagon will sweep around and he’ll be popular again. Thanks for the opportunity to have a little fan rave about him.

Redboss

Ooooh, thanks, Redboss—I will commence a search for The Big Laugh, which does indeed sound like my cup of tea.

. . . Now, if we can only get people to start reading Tiffany Thayer and Olive Higgins Prouty again!

Just to mention I am nearly through with App’t. in Samarra and am thoroughly enjoying it—off to the library to pick up The Big Laugh! Highly recommend O’Hara to anyone who likes hard-berled lit’r’chure.

Question: Most of the characters have very nasty things to say about Jews and Irish-Catholics. Are we supposed to tut-tut at these prejudices, or were these really John O’Hara’s opinions? I mean, these were written in the 1930s, when most people did hate Jews and Irish-Catholics . . .

I imagine it was hard not to have some of those prejudices in those days. Look at Roosevelt and Truman, a couple of the founding fathers of modern “liberal” thought, but both were known to make anti-Catholic and anti-Semite comments on occasion. And even as late as 1960, the big complaint about Kennedy becoming President was his Irish-Catholic background.

But that being said, I would bet a good portion of the comments were to show further flaws in the characters.

Eve–how’d the reading go? I’m a big O’Hara fan, and was wondering if he spoke to you.

Originally posted by Knighted Vorpal Sword

Hey, Sword, why not post your own thread about Allan Sherman? Hey, I think he appealed to enough of the Teeming Millions…
How about it? :slight_smile:
–dougie_monty

There was one, I started soon after this thread started, inspired from the OP.

Oh, hello again—thoroughly enjoyed O’Hara, thanks, read three or four of his books in one gulp, till I OD’d.

Now I am tackling Thos. Hardy’s Jude the Obscure, which a friend sent to me, so I feel rather obliged to read it. Enjoyable, but heavy.

Where is John O’Hara?
He went to Samarra.

That’s nice too… that’s nice too.