I didn’t just because I’m not positive that the delegates pledged to dropout candidates necessarily are bound to vote as their candidate wants them to.
I think by this time in 2 days the math is going to be prohibitively in favor of Biden.
I didn’t just because I’m not positive that the delegates pledged to dropout candidates necessarily are bound to vote as their candidate wants them to.
I think by this time in 2 days the math is going to be prohibitively in favor of Biden.
And he lost all 3 of those in 2016.
I can only hope that the magic email list finally fails to be a money machine. Bernie has his fanatics, but there’s got to be some of them that’ll realize it’s over and stop donating.
the probably with fanatics is they really hate to give up. Extreme example was Japanese soldiers in WW 2. On some islands like Iwo Jima pretty much every Japanese solider was killed. I think the only ones who survived were injured but some of those killed themselves.
It’s dead, Jim.
538’s take on Sander’s chances.
Basically, not good;
It’s not done, but if I were a betting man, I wouldn’t bet on Sanders.
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You realize that even the scenario you quoted required Bernie to do a whole lot better tonight than he in fact did?
I do - I wrote that up and posted it just before I saw that Michigan was called for Biden.
As of right now, Sanders’ chances are a lot worse, about like the first scenario in the above-linked article.
I honestly do not know whose side you are on.
I was a strong supporter of Pete Buttigieg. My candidate didn’t win and thus I moved over to Biden. I have detested Bernie Sanders since way before that unfunny clown decided he wanted to run for President.
Do you think that continually smacking on Bernie supporters will help bring them behind Biden in the real election?
Because from where I’m sitting, it looks much more likely to help the Trump campaign’s divide and conquer strategy.
There’ll be plenty of time for all sides to vent and recriminate once Trump is either vanquished or returned.
I think that Sanders supporters are going to do what they’re going to do and those who choose to remain home weren’t reachable anyway. If your whole schtick is “XYZ is a human right” and then you decline to vote the primary barrier to XYZ out because someone on the internet called Sanders an “unfunny clown”, you were never serious about XYZ in the first place. It was only about attention-seeking via neckbeard arguments about XYZ and trying to inflate your own relevance as a Sanders supporter that everyone better be nice to.
Some might be like this, but some aren’t. I think some are gettable - and some are young folks who may or may not vote, but will probably wait until election day and decide based on how they feel that day. I think there are things Biden can do to make them more likely to feel like voting.
Ditto that for the Enlightened Centrists. There is a certain species of online male who revels in the trope of “Kiss my ring or get 4 more years of Trump.” Dude, if you’re wielding Trump as an extortion weapon, guess what you are.
The good news is I think that, apart from high-profile dilldongs like Max Boot and Michael Tracey, this phenomenon is much, much rarer than the shady Macedonian propaganda farms would have us believe.
Sure, but that’s more of a campaign issue, not a “everyone else needs to treat them with kid gloves” issue. A good number of these people couldn’t be bothered to go out and vote for Sanders; they’re in it now just to get jerked off, not because they’re actually going to get out in November and vote for Biden.
This doesn’t mean we all need to find Sanders supporters and throw rocks at them but, at the same time, acting like it’s threatening the election to say you thought Sanders was an “unfunny clown” isn’t any way to live.
You have any examples of prominent Sanders supporters out in the wild expressing that feeling? They are waiting on his veep pick to support Biden?
Not prominent supporters (though I haven’t looked). A couple of my acquaintances have said they’ll vote for Biden if he picks Abrams, and another one said they will if he picks Warren.
I think iiandyiiii is on to something in that Bernie supporters I think this time really do want to support Biden. But they need some sort of cover, and a young more progressive VP might be just enough to say “OK, I don’t like Joe but maybe he’ll die and I can get Warren/Abrams/whoever”. Someone with a bit more pizzazz than Klobuchar - someone you can pin some hopes and dreams on.
And yes, saying mean things about Bernie is not very helpful at this point. It’s sort of kicking a man while he’s down (and his supporters are down). Fortunately, Biden was much more kind and positive in his speech last night - hopefully that will continue and we can get united behind the presumptive candidate.
But then again I’m not sure calling anybody an “unfunny clown” (unless it’s actually literally a clown that isn’t funny) is a particularly helpful way to win an election. That’s why rather than focusing on the invective against Trump I would focus more on his incompetence and lack of real accomplishments. I’m not sure calling him names is nearly as effective at pointing out what he’s done, not done, or tried to do.
I think there’s some cognitive dissonance with that approach. Maybe he is incompetent and maybe he didn’t have the accomplishments he touted, but the people who voted for him still want those things to happen and obviously it’s not going to be Biden who does them. What are you gonna say - “Trump didn’t give you your wall after all, but Biden will”?