Motherfucking THIS! I love lightgun games and the fact that the Wii Remote is basically a handheld lightgun is just awesome in my book.
Medal of Honor Heroes 2 is supposed to have a fantastic lightgun mode, has anyone tried it?
Access to the history of games is fine, but yes. They’re lame because they’re old. Sure, there are times in which a game is unique and nobody ever copies it, or there’s something about the game that makes it that relevant (Romance of the Three Kingdoms, EarthBound, for example), but the video game industry is a copycat industry, like…well…any industry. If something big comes around, others will want to emulate it. This also lessens the need to have this kind of nostalgia because the best is supposedly taken from the older versions.
It’s also lame because they’re not putting development into new games. They’re making retreads with small graphical tweaks. I understand why they’d make a port of a game from, say, Game Cube to DS (for the sake of portability), but outside of wanting to fleece customers, I’ve never got why Nintendo reports console games to another console. I’ve had NES emulators on my computer, and every once in a while I play a game or two, but not nearly enough to want to buy the game all over again.
Yes. Incredibly lame. Innovate, don’t dwell on the past.
I just don’t get why people would plunk down bunches of cash to play old games. I’ll be damned if I pay twice for what amounts to the same game.
(This is why I refuse to get any games on the Virtual Console. Let me trade in my old cartridges or give me a way to redeem them to download them. I won’t pay to download it when I can get a ROM for free.)
Edited to add: I’m curious, how old are you guys? I’m 27.
Word. Whenever I’m in an honest-to-God video arcade, I always have to play at least one round of Time Crisis, even when I know the equipment’s not maintained and it handles like crap. The Wii is bloody perfect for those games.
I’m kind of confused, here. Are you not sure why people would pay money to play any old games at all or to play games that they had played already in the past?
In the first place, because, well, I haven’t already played all of the games on, say, the Virtual Console, so why would I not pay to play them today, if I want? Just thinking of the games I’ve bought on the VC, Sin & Punishment , Super Metroid, and Shinobi 3 are all incredible games that I didn’t have the chance to play when they were released for one reason or another (namely - wasn’t released in America, didn’t have an SNES, and was a kid and so couldn’t afford many Genesis games).
If it’s the latter, then there are lots of reasons. I bought the Sonic the Hedgehog games on the VC despite having played through them hundreds of times in my life because, well, I really like them, I no longer own my Genesis or its cartridges, and the Wii makes it really convenient to fire them up whenever I want.
Twenty-four.
Not ANY old games at all. There are a few unique games in the past that never got emulated.
But yeah, I don’t see why someone would want go go back and play old stuff. I can see a quick runthrough, but certainly not enough to actually pay for them again.
I’m 26. I disagree with old = bad. I’m not one who thinks old = good either; I see more crap on the Virtual Console than good games. What good games there are, though, are very good.
As for ROMs, it’s like saying “Why would I want to use iTunes? I won’t pay to download a song when I can get an MP3 of it for free.” Sure, you could, but not only is it illegal, not everyone has the knowledge, time, and/or patience to track ROMs down. The Virtual Console is right there on the Wii, blessed by Nintendo, easy to download, easy to play. I’ll wager a good chunk of Wii owners are ecstatic about being able to play their old games again and have never before even heard of ROMs, while another chunk is happy to have easy access to guilt-free games without needing to have three or four 20-year-old systems hooked up.
I downloaded the ROMs that I owned the cartridges for (for the most part).
I dunno. Nostalgia isn’t that great with me. I don’t play older games, in general, because they’re just not as good as newer ones.
I guess this is why we rarely see eye-to-eye in video game threads.
I love nostalgia. Old games, new games, new games with old concepts, new games with old characters, old games I never played before. It doesn’t really matter to me.
And as others have said, the Virtual Console (and WiiWare and the XBLA) has been a godsend to me. I love trying old games I never played before (Sin & Punishment, Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels), new games that look like old games (Mega Man 9) and new games that use old game concepts (Heavy Weapon, Pac-Man Championship Edition). I think I’ve put more time into Heavy Weapon than any other game this generation.
I am also 27 and I’ve been gaming since my Atari 2600 when I was 5.
I played the Lost Levels when it came out. That’s pretty much it.
But yes, ying, meet yang. I think I’d seriously have to be forced in some way, shape, or form to play Mega Man again.
So, when do we start combining our powers and reviewing games?
Your preferences are what they are, but this is an odd argument; you say that the videogame industry is just like any other industry in this respect, but would you, for similar reasons, not want to read old books, listen to old music, or watch old movies?
I already do at a site called Gaming Target and a personal blog for libraries and video games. If you’re interested, send me a PM.
Supposedly, there will be an add on to the wii remote called Motion Plus (can’t remember exactly) that makes the motion sensing more reliable, it is also supposed to be compatible with the new Punch Out!!!. I often notice that the motion sensing bit is off, hopefully, the device will be worth the extra cost.
I’m afraid I don’t really understand the reluctance to play old games either.
If it’s something like Mega Man 9 then, yeah, I can see how somebody might have gotten enough of that with the first six 8-bit instalments in the series. That’s the nature of doing a retro-styled remake.
But overall? I don’t see how it’s different from reading old novels or watching old movies. I don’t agree that games are overall better now or that there’s no reason to play an older type of game because there are more complex versions of it out there. We still play Chess, after all.
It’s not totally fueled by nostalgia, either. Obviously I can’t be nostalgic for particular games that I never played (although I am sometimes nostalgic for certain types of graphics and gameplay).
I simply don’t see a huge difference between running out to pick up the latest 360 game and downloading Ninja Gaiden 2 on the VC. They’re both just games.
Nostalgia for an era is still nostalgia.
I almost got the new Ninja Gaiden game for 360 if that helps us bridge the gap. Yeah, Ninja Gaiden 2 was pretty badass back in the day. Unfortunately, so many better games have been released between then and now.
Quality, sir. Quality.
I don’t.
I’ve rewatched a few movies because they’re just good. I’ve replayed a few video games because they were good, too.
The vast, vast majority of movies don’t get rewatched unless someone else wants to watch it.
What I meant by “old” was “made long ago”, not necessarily ones that you’ve already read/seen/listened to/whatever. I thought that was what your argument was against, or was it only against replaying games you’ve already played?
Again, your preferences are your preferences, and I can hardly tell you that they’re somehow “wrong”; I’m just needling at the argument of yours I had quoted which was supposed to support them.
Yes, to both.
To both “The quoted argument was against replaying games I’ve already played” and “The quoted argument was against playing games made long ago which I’ve not already played”?
You’ve mentioned that you don’t rewatch movies you’ve already seen, barring exceptional circumstances. Do you watch movies you haven’t seen but which were made long ago? (Similarly with books, music, etc.)?
Well, yeah. But I mean, better games than, say, No More Heroes have been released since April of this year. That doesn’t mean that No More Heroes isn’t worth playing.
Likewise, the fact that better games than Ninja Gaiden 2 have been released since it was new doesn’t take anything away from NG2. It’s no worse than it used to be, and is still a very enjoyable game, all nostalgia aside.
And, as I said, nostalgia is only a factor in certain cases. Largely it doesn’t apply. I’m no more nostalgic for Ninja Gaiden 2 (a game I never played when it was new) than I am for, say, the film Silence of the Lambs (which was released when I was very young but I didn’t watch until recently). In neither case is my appreciation based on a nostalgia for late-80’s/early-90’s aesthetics, and in neither case is my appreciation lessened because better games/films have been released since.
I have to admit, your position continues to confuse me.
Maybe that’s the difference, at least with the two of us. I played those games when they came out, but even if I didn’t, I can’t imagine wanting to play them now.
Indistinguishable: Very rarely. The last “old” movie I saw was Sunset Boulevard. Before that was King Kong. Those were both well over a year or so ago. I don’t seek them out, either. Both of those instances just happened. So no, I don’t look for the movies. Likewise for books, although I’m not much of a reader; most of my reading was done in class.