I don’t think it’s much of a surprise, but the Sinclair film set to air a few days before the election, “Stolen Honor”, is perhaps what we should be talking about.
It’s the “Winter Soldier” half of the “Swift Boat” mess - statements from various POWs and commentators that Kerry lost the Vietnam war with fraudulent claims of US atrocities, backed up with quotes taken out of context and video of horror in Vietnam and Jane Fonda. The Dem blog Daily Kos apparently has a transcript. Coming at that point, the brouhaha in the media should peak right around polling day.
Just like the Swift Boats thing, truth / falsity doesn’t really matter. You don’t need the media to be screaming “John Kerry is a traitor!”, all you need is bullshit point-counterpoint on the topic of “Is John Kerry a traitor?”
God, the smugness in this thread is pretty humorous. Especially given the above post and the fact that Bush is polling almost 2x his 2000 vote level among Blacks at this point. But, don’t let me interrupt this little snicker-fest with any actual facts. I wouldn’t want to get in the way of all this self congratulatory BS.
Considering that that incident happened in Orlando – a city where, not two months ago, Jeb’s state troopers went into the homes of elderly black get-out-the-vote organizers and intimated them with threats of a “voter fraud” investigation – yes, that is really, really worth gloating over! Pub bitches had it coming in spades, squared and cubed and loaded with gee-juice! I hereby gloat!
The investigations in Orlando were at the behest of by a Democrat. So now the Democrats are in cahootz with Jeb, huh? (Note: Jeb Bush is a Republican. I can dig up a cite on that, if needed.) But when it comes to screaming lefties sacking a GOP facility, you’ll just cheer them on? Nice, herrGlutton.
That link notes only that Florida State Attorney Lawson Lamar is a Democrat. Everything else is simply implied. And not credibly implied. If you believe the governor can’t do an end-run around the SA to instigate an FDLE investigation, you must have never visited this sorry-ass state even for a Spring Break binge.
I can out-Godwinize your ass six days a week and twice on Fuhrersday, B! Difference is, from me, it sounds (and is) credible!
BTW: The FDLE is ultimately responsible, not the the State Attorney of any judicial circuit, but to the state Attorney General. Who is Charlie Crist. A Republican. See http://www.politics1.com/fl.htm.
It certainly is more credible, coming from you. Hitler was also a socialist, so you can see things more from his perspective. Not to mention the glee at the strong-arm tactics, another common trait. Heck, I bet he also would approve of your blatant and callous abuse of emoticons.
Still, it is an interesting story. Democrats should be outraged! After all, here we have a case of possible ballot fraud, resulting in the election of a shady Mssr. Buddy Dyer. Scandal! Shock! We won’t let our electoral system be hijacked by unscruplous individuals!
Oh, wait. They won’t give two shits about the integrity of the electoral process, since Dyer is a democrat, and instead they will try to redirect the whole matter, bringing up that old stand-by: Racism! That the alleged fraud took place in a black neighborhood and therefore would be investigated in black neighborhoods has nothing to do with it, it must be racism! :rolleyes:
So on one hand, we have a case of voter-fraud investigation, nothing more. On the other hand, we have a case of a branch of the DNC ransacking a GOP facility. No parity here, only glee from the left.
Please allow me to break from the herd for a moment. If President Bush wins reelection, do you think it could possibly be that the majority of voters in enough states with enough electoral votes thought he deserved it?
It amuses me that many on this board and around the country are prepared to find comfort in ridiculous conspiracy theories rather than face the reality once Bush is reelected.
Evil Republicans rubbing their hands with glee as they pine away for the days of segregation. Evil corporate drones working in secret to plant “backdoor” computer programs in vote counting software. Evil county clerks looking over a battle plan, picking out who to disenfranchise. All of them winking at each other as they chuckle “BWA-HA-HA!”
The above scenario is the only possible way that Bush will win. Trickery. Deception. Evil.
The idea that more people will vote for him than for John Kerry is simply not possible, is it…
:rolleyes: Of course it is possible. The race is certainly close enough. But – unlike in practically every other presidential election between 1960 and 2000 – it is also possible that he will “win” without that happening. That’s why we are so exercised about this one. This Admin has done more than any within living memory to make evil conspiracy theories genuinely plausible.
I don’t see how your scenario and mine are exclusive of each other. What’s being discussed here is why voters may think he deserves it and whether their reasons have any connection with reality.
If you’re taking the position that each voter carefully vets the accuracy of any characterizations of the candidates, considers objectively which candidate more closely aligns with his interests, and then votes accordingly, please keep in mind that this is a nation in which a sizable fraction of the adult population thinks professional wrestling, angels and feng shui are real, or at least acts as though they are.
I think there needs to be a parallel of Godwin’s law that whoever uses the most annoying smilies (both quantity and quality) in a debate is automatically declared the loser.
First let me congratulate you. All year long i’ve been posting bits about this and you’re the first person who has asked me for a citation on it. cribbed from here
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Do you mean you think Richrd Perle should go to jail for his **fundraising efforts on behalf of Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK)**? You know, the international terrorist organization tha Hussein really did sponsor and support.
Somehow, despite reports of the connection between the charity event and the MEK nearly a week before the event, Richard Perle, recent chairman of the Bush Admin’s Defense Policy Board, claimed that he had plausible deniability as to when he acquired his knowledge that he was raising funds for a terrorist organization this past January.
It’s clear sign that he’s not with us. Ergo, he’s against us.
Of course it’s a matter of public record that he passed classified national security information to agents of a foreign government.
He’s just the kind of guy the Bush Admin still trusts to give advice about national security.
Pretty, fucking, piss-poor judgment if you ask me, to take advice from someone who gives away our national secrets to foreign governments and wh supports the same terrorists Saddam Hussein did.
I am truly saddened that this is acceptable instead of enraging and outrageous to too many of my fellow Americans.
If this is what you mean, then I agree. [/indent]
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[indent] Terrorists plan D.C. fundraiser
January 21, 2004
House Administration Chairman Robert Ney (R-Ohio) will ask Attorney General John Ashcroft today to investigate a charity event for ties to an Iranian terrorist group backed by Saddam Hussein.
The event, to be held Saturday at the Washington Convention Center, is billed as a “night of solidarity with Iran.”
… a number of sponsoring groups have strong ties to the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), and the fundraiser may violate the prohibition on providing material support for global terrorism. Adviser Who Spoke at Function Thought Money Was for Quake Victims
January 29, 2004
Pentagon adviser Richard N. Perle, a strong advocate of war against Iraq, spoke last weekend at a charity event that U.S. officials say may have had ties to an alleged terrorist group seeking to topple the Iranian government and backed by Saddam Hussein.
FBI agents attended it and, as part of a continuing investigation, the Treasury Department on Monday froze the assets of the event’s prime organizer, the Iranian-American Community of Northern Virginia.
Perle, in an interview, said he was unaware of any involvement by the terrorist group, known as the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK)…
“All of the proceeds will go to the Red Cross,” Perle said. Informed that the Red Cross had announced before the event it would refuse any monies because of the event’s “political nature,” Perle said: “I was unaware of that.”
…some Pentagon officials considered the MEK as a possible vanguard against the Iranian government…
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A Rogue Element in the Pentagon Aids al Qaeda from here w/ permission
So, what we have here is a group of US DoD employees who’ve managed to get themselves suspected of helping Israel a little more than should. They’ve gone behind the backs of the CIA, State Dept and the White House to wheel and deal with an intelligence fabricator and nuisance who’s linked to one (or more) of Israel’s security services.
One of the reasons these DoD employees were wheeling and dealing with a known peddler of false information was to acquire information. After one of the meetings, made possible by the (former?) agent of “at least one” Israeli security service, one of these DoD employees calls home and asks for money, a “sizable financial interest”.
The FBI seems to have good reason to be concerned about what’s going on here.
These meetings between DoD personnel and Iranian dissidents who are anticipating regime change in Iran endangered the chances for the success of ongoing diplomatic endeavors regarding Iran. This may have been the intention of this ‘rogue element’ in the Pentagon.
The FBI seems to have good reason to be concerned about what’s going on here too.
They’d better be concerned. The diplomatic negotiations with Iran that were disrupted by the Pentagon’s rogue element involved swapping Iran’s al Qaeda detainees for some of our Mujahedin e Khalq detainees.
If it hadn’t been for these gentlemen, Abu Zarqawi (and one or more of his legs) might be in US custody (again.)
[indent] “The purpose of the meeting with Ghorbanifar was to undermine a pending deal that the White House had been negotiating with the Iranian government. At the time, Iran had considered turning over five al-Qaida operatives in exchange for Washington dropping its support for Mujahadeen Khalq, an Iraq-based rebel Iranian group listed as a terrorist organization by the State Department.” Who is Larry Franklin?
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