I hear he insisted on playing himself for that scene to make sure they got it right.
And he demanded that the crew and the intimacy coordinator leave the room so he could get into the right headspace.
Come to think of it, I’m not sure they had any filming scheduled that day.
I have not heard anything from the couch, so it was likely consensual. But. How old is the couch?
Was the couch also wearing seductive eyeliner? The scamp! Was it his couch? If so, he owns that couch. Is this a sex slavery thing!!! Does he have pets???
According to Magna Carta it’s only a crime if the weapon he uses is wider than his thumb, so he’s probably in the clear.
At least it wasn’t a trans-sectional.
Today’s thread 
and so early in the day!
Haven’t we strayed out of Factual Questions here? Or factual answers, at least? I have a few more questions of a factual nature to add:
How did these innuendoes start? That is to say, is there a person, or a media source, who first uttered “couch” or “eyeliner” in regards to Vance? Or did they just appear in the atmosphere with no one taking credit, or responsibility, for starting it?
More specifically, HOW did it start? Were the alleged pages of Vance’s book quoted, and it was later shown (by whom?) to be nonsense, those words don’t appear on those pages, but the horse was out of the barn? Did someone write the words that Vance supposedly wrote about having sex with a lubricated latex glove inserted in between the cushions of a couch, or was that detail (and others) added once the rumor first took hold?
As to the eyeliner, it seems to be easy to prove that it’s just the natural way his eyelashes look by publishing photos of him before his political career began, but I haven’t seen any photos of him in his teens, or at college, or in the military. Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough, and they’re out there?
The couch story started as a tweet (since taken down) by someone who wrote:
"Can’t say for sure, but this might be the first vp pick to have admitted in a ny times bestseller to fucking an inside-out latex glove shoved between two couch cushions (Vance, hillbilly elegy, pp. 179-181)
At least, that’s what a friend posted an image of, and i believe them. That was just shitposting, the tweeter made it up of whole cloth.
No idea about the eyeliner thing.
I am not sure. I want it it be as you say but I am tired of Dems playing by polite rules while Reps run amok and do whatever they want with no downside.
The eyeliner probably doesn’t have a specific origin. The couch joke does. A “shitpost” by a random Twitter user with less than 2000 followers:
Right. The eyeliner thing is just a bunch of people all looking at him and noticing he has prominent eyelashes. Just like the rumors about quarterback Derek Carr wearing eyeliner. If there was a mascara that could hold up to 4 quarters of football without ever streaking it would run everyone else out of business.
As John Oliver IIRC pointed out this makes it clearly a joke. I mean would even JD Vance include a three page long sex scene with a couch?
Gotta build up the romance, before the big encounter.
As I understand it, Vance writing about this has been debunked, but he has never denied having sex with a couch. This has always been an acceptable type of question to place before politicians running for office and Vance himself engages in this kind of rhetoric and approves of it when his running mate does it.
This is along the lines of “have you stopped beating your wife” but does not even beg the question. If Vance did not have sex with a couch he could say so.
“That would depend on what your definition of the word ‘is’ is”
But Vance never claimed to have done so in the first place, so there is no reason to deny it. I dislike Vance as much as anyone, but Dems have to be careful about the making shit up smear campaign that Trump and the MAGAts are famous for. It was a funny bit, ha ha, but better not to dwell on it. Dems can do better.
I agree he doesn’t have to deny it. It is still acceptable for anybody to bring it up. The press could ask him, his political opponents could bring it up and put the question to him in a debate. I believe the world would be better if their was a consensus that it is not an acceptable form political discourse. We live in a different world though. The press, politicians on all sides of all the aisles, and culture have engaged in it ever since the first time some cave dwellers were willing to have the new head of the cave determined by something other than physical conflict.
I think this criticism is sort of missing the mark. As said, this is not a lie like “Obama was not born in the US” which was put out with the intent that people believe it. This is a joke that no one is expected to believe. It is not a smear campaign, it is mocking and in other contexts (a power differential) would be considered bullying. The point of lies about Walz’s military career is not to laugh at him, but the point of couch memes is to laugh at Vance.
If the extent of the Democratic platform consisted of couch memes and dolphin jokes, that would be a problem.
Yep. 
Saying that JD Vance fucked a couch is obviously a joke. Claiming that Harris slept her way to her status is not meant to be a joke.
They are not the same.
But this forum is not a humor forum, that was my point, and I think GailForce’s point also.
P&E? Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share ? So, IMHO discussing whether ot not those memes have any factual basis is one thing, making more jokes is another.
But I could be wrong…