[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
I don’t see how he’s a troll. Admittedly, the way he asked the question is a little less than tactful and kind of makes me wonder if he really believes that because someone’s skin is black that they’re participants the proverbial “black culture.”
Either he’s trolling or his idea of “black” is pretty limited.
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Dude, have you ever READ some of his threads?
Ya know, I don’t think I’ve ever ridiculed VC03, but I did stand up for Omegaman in his early days when his posting style garnered so many negative critiques. The reason I did that was because 1) it came across as sincere what he was trying to convey, 2) he wanted to change to something less inflammatory and 3) stopping how he was going along and writing differently was the outcome. If you come across his stuff now, you’d never believe he was the person he’d been before.
So, all that said, I’d encourage our OP here to take a similar approach if he wishes to be taken seriously and not have all of his threads derailed… not discuss subjects in such a way that automatically makes people assume your trolling. If you do have a fascination with black people, ask questions rather than offering up a stereotype as a universal truth and wishing us to debunk or substantiate it. Don’t always rely on just your own experience or that of one acquaintance / friend (like you’ve done here). Figure that although what you’ve seen or heard maybe a partially correct cliche’, it’s still a cliche’ all the same and everyone is unique, with much to be learned about them.
Those I see as just the first steps. I’m sure others could offer better advice, but truly, if you’re looking for a new path to take out of this whole that’s been dug, talk to Omega. I can’t sing his praises highly enough and he could definitely help you (even all of us) a lot.
[QUOTE=faithfool]
Ya know, I don’t think I’ve ever ridiculed VC03, but I did stand up for Omegaman in his early days when his posting style garnered so many negative critiques. The reason I did that was because 1) it came across as sincere what he was trying to convey, 2) he wanted to change to something less inflammatory and 3) stopping how he was going along and writing differently was the outcome. If you come across his stuff now, you’d never believe he was the person he’d been before.
So, all that said, I’d encourage our OP here to take a similar approach if he wishes to be taken seriously and not have all of his threads derailed… not discuss subjects in such a way that automatically makes people assume your trolling. If you do have a fascination with black people, ask questions rather than offering up a stereotype as a universal truth and wishing us to debunk or substantiate it. Don’t always rely on just your own experience or that of one acquaintance / friend (like you’ve done here). Figure that although what you’ve seen or heard maybe a partially correct cliche’, it’s still a cliche’ all the same and everyone is unique, with much to be learned about them.
Those I see as just the first steps. I’m sure others could offer better advice, but truly, if you’re looking for a new path to take out of this whole that’s been dug, talk to Omega. I can’t sing his praises highly enough and he could definitely help you (even all of us) a lot.
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You know what, you’re totally right. It is a testament to Omegaman’s rehabilitation that, until you posted this, I had actually forgotten that his original claim to SDMB fame was his repeated Pitting of the devil. 
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
It’s hard to find a man over 30 who isn’t divorced and/or has a kid. Like looking for a needle in a fucking haystack. … men over 30 are pretty much falling into VC03’s categories of damaged goods, has kids, or is a dog. …
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Yeah but, that’s different. :rolleyes: (rolleyes for the fucking stupid double standard, not you)
It’s just not conceivable that the reason VC03’s coworker can’t find a chaste, physically and/or personality-wise desirable woman is because he’s not a chaste, physically and/or personality-wise desirable man.
CMC fnord!
[QUOTE=featherlou]
I for one think it’s time to stop getting all outraged at VC03’s OPs and just take them at face value. If I were him, I would be getting seriously pissed off at everyone always assuming that I’m trolling and looking to pick fights. He may well be a troll; when he gets banned, we’ll all know for sure then. Until then, I think we should just treat his OPs like everyone else’s - if you’re not interested, don’t post, and if you are, address the OP instead of instantly hijacking it into yet another “Oh god, VC03’s at it again, rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes.” I don’t know anything about American Black culture except what I see on tv - I’m curious about it, too. I’d like to see that discussed, instead of VCO3 yet again.
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Fair enough. However, based on what I’ve seen of your posts, I find it difficult to imagine that you, solely on the strength of something that you saw on TV, would come here and ask, “Why do/don’t all (implied) Black people do ____________?”.
And that’s the problem that people here have with VCO3. He’s posed these kinds of questions before (Why are black people so loud? Why don’t Black people drink coffee?), and he’s been reamed over it, so it’s not as if people have any real incentive to take him seriously. True, it may simply be a matter of how he’s phrasing his queries, but, hell, why hasn’t he learned, based upon past experience, to couch them in a less offensive manner by now?
As for Black American culture? Well, I’ve been Black for almost 38 years, and I’m certain that *I * couldn’t tell you quite what that is (what with, all things considered, us not being a monolithic people, and all). The point, however, as **OneCentStamp ** said, is that honest-to-goodness questions about so-called “Black culture” tend to be answered as respectfully as they are posed.
Oh, and what **faithfool ** and others (sorry, but I can’t recall all of y’all right now) have said.
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp]
If black people are loud in the forest and nobody hears them, do they tip badly?
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I don’t know which premise negates this more: that black people would be in a forest, or that there could be loud black people that nobody could hear. (I know I know, Sanford & Son and Fresh Prince both have camping episodes, but those were written by white people.)
[QUOTE=faithfool]
Ya know, I don’t think I’ve ever ridiculed VC03, but I did stand up for Omegaman in his early days when his posting style garnered so many negative critiques. The reason I did that was because 1) it came across as sincere what he was trying to convey, 2) he wanted to change to something less inflammatory and 3) stopping how he was going along and writing differently was the outcome. If you come across his stuff now, you’d never believe he was the person he’d been before.
So, all that said, I’d encourage our OP here to take a similar approach if he wishes to be taken seriously and not have all of his threads derailed… not discuss subjects in such a way that automatically makes people assume your trolling. If you do have a fascination with black people, ask questions rather than offering up a stereotype as a universal truth and wishing us to debunk or substantiate it. Don’t always rely on just your own experience or that of one acquaintance / friend (like you’ve done here). Figure that although what you’ve seen or heard maybe a partially correct cliche’, it’s still a cliche’ all the same and everyone is unique, with much to be learned about them.
Those I see as just the first steps. I’m sure others could offer better advice, but truly, if you’re looking for a new path to take out of this whole that’s been dug, talk to Omega. I can’t sing his praises highly enough and he could definitely help you (even all of us) a lot.
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Back in September, when some of us were putting together a ChiDopefest, VCO3 almost came. He and I traded some PM’s and he came across 1 on 1 as a decent guy. I STILL wish he’d have shown up because I think he’s a decent guy that just sometimes offers up questions in what’s either an inflammatory or naive way.
People that want to Pit him all the time need to hang out in CS and see a bright, insightful guy.
ETA: Although I think I might be guilty of jumping on the “VCO3 is a spiteful, ignorant bastard” bandwagon once in a while too.
[QUOTE=lobstermobster]
This is fucking FANTASTIC Without more than 1 initial post VCO3 has people bickering about something that isn’t even the outrageous topic of the OP! Its a new level of assholism! Oh god bless him, he brings out the best in everyone.
I’m with Marshmallow can we PLEASE do a “black people don’t tip” thread!?!
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*Goddammit! * Do you know what a ‘dickrider’ is? Look, the cat is cool with me. I enjoy his posts, especially the ones that I think are “contraversial” or silly. But sweet mother of pearl, for once would you allow him to show you some attention first?
[QUOTE=Li’l Pluck]
Fair enough. However, based on what I’ve seen of your posts, I find it difficult to imagine that you, solely on the strength of something that you saw on TV, would come here and ask, “Why do/don’t all (implied) Black people do ____________?”.<snip>
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I do kind of want to ask why black people are all cheating on each other in popular music. 
He does seem to be slow on that up-take.
[QUOTE=Nzinga, Seated]
*Goddammit! * Do you know what a ‘dickrider’ is? Look, the cat is cool with me. I enjoy his posts, especially the ones that I think are “contraversial” or silly. But sweet mother of pearl, for once would you allow him to show you some attention first?
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She just has a message board crush on him. Everybody has a few of them. A simple but effective sign for spotting which people I have crushes on is that you will see me quoting, and directly replying to them. 
I’ve said my peace with regards to VCO3 before, and even started my own Pit thread on the subjected. I was really picturing this whole thread being much worse, this is much tamer than previous** VCO3** threads. I think people are just bored with his shtick. That combined with the fact that whenever people seem to try and correct his politically incorrect tone it just ends up rolling off his back.
Keep at it bro’!
Not really. He assumes that it’s true and asks why it’s so. The only uncertainty he voices is whether it is mainly an urban phenomenon.
What I find interesting is VCO3’s stated reasons for being obsessed with blacks:
If that were true, then why aren’t all non-blacks obsessed with blacks? And why isn’t VCO3 obsessed with Asians? Wiccans? Jehovah’s Witnesses?
His rational doesn’t make sense. The topic deserves a little integrity.
[QUOTE=bbs2k]
She just has a message board crush on him.
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I actually realized that too late, and regret my comment now. I didn’t add anything to the discussion there, I just sort of snapped at her for no reason.
To add to the discussion, I think that if VCO3 knew more black people, he would know that the coworker that is feeding him that tripe is clearly bitter about something. At my job, the ratio for beautiful, smart, successful black women to handsome, smart, successful black men is about even. All this talk of ‘damaged goods’ is just not realistic in my neighborhood. We are all damaged goods, and we love eachother just the same. I have seen what many consider “undamaged goods” and uh…I am unimpressed.
[QUOTE=Bosstone]
You’ll never see a black guy camping, why is that?"
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For me, it’s because I don’t camp, so I’m infinitely less likely to see anyone else camping, let alone a black guy. This can be expressed in a mathematical expression:
A = chance of TokyoPlayer camping
B = chance of TokyoPlayer seeing a black guy camp
C = chance of a black guy camping
D = chance of a black guy camping at the same campground as TokyoPlayer
Looking first at C, although it’s damn difficult to determine the exact percentage chance of a black guy camping in Japan, it’s going to be small since the percentage of the population which is black is less than 0.01%. Even assuming that blacks would be camping at the same rate as the general population, at most, C will be 0.01%.
I don’t camp much, at all. My wife doesn’t like camping and if I go anywhere without her, then it’s going to be golf. I’ve gone camping exactly once, for one night, in the last 12 years, and assuming that I’ll keep up the same rate, it’s a 0.022831% chance of me camping at any given night.
We could continue, but I think you can see why you (generically) never see a black guy camping.
We can also look at why white guys never get laid. Let’s ask Auto to give the percentages.
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]
Seriously, VCO3, if you are this fascinated with Black culture, I suggest you get to know a few more black people…get to know them really well…and have some dialogue with them on these issues.
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Exactly, VCO3, get yourself arrested and get to know some of them.
I’m so upset with the OP since October is MY month to be the Black Spokesmodel for the people. How dare he ask some random co-worker a question that should have been directed to me.
I have the official handbook of my people and since I know all of them, I’m in the position to discuss why we do anything - well at least until November 1st.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
It’s hard to find a man over 30 who isn’t divorced and/or has a kid. Like looking for a needle in a fucking haystack.
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Don’t worry. It’ll just happen. 
[QUOTE=Shagnasty]
I don’t think it is an invalid or forbidden topic. This subject gets covered in mainstream news magazines and studies pretty regularly. However, it is usually told from the black female perspective and the difficulties in finding a male to get married and have children with for the long-term. The premise is basically true so I don’t see why the Pit should factor into things.
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Thank you Shag! I was thinking the same thing
It’s difficult to address a topic like this squarely in the middle, as in you don’t want to be ultra-PC, but neither do you want to go the complete opposite. Plus there’s the “offensive” factor, even if the OP or anyone else doesn’t mean anything in an offensive way.
Ack, why are the more interesting topics so difficult to write about?
[QUOTE=nyctea scandiaca]
I don’t see what is wrong with his question. He is taking what a co-worker told him, and asking if it’s true, and why or why not. I think it’s an interesting question about culture. I also don’t think he’s being a “troll” or “racist.” I think he is honestly trying to learn more about black culture.
In my experience, most of the black women I know (from high school, mostly) have all had kids out of wedlock when they were very young, and many have multiple kids by multiple fathers. Since they are in their early 30s now (we graduated in 1993), I can see how the pool of single women without kids would be pretty small.
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Back when I was with Former Employer, one of the stores I worked at was in a predominately black neighborhood. I never brought up the subject, but every so often one of my white coworkers would. The overall answer re woman was exactly what you describe.
As for women who 1) didn’t have kids out of wedlock and/or 2) had gotten the “party girl” thing out of their system, the pickings are even smaller. A lot of who’d be considered eligible men in the age range are either in prison or dead. It takes time and effort, especially in the inner city, to find a young man not influenced negatively by street/gang culture. In a lot of cases, those particular young men aren’t part of the 'hood anymore. So go into the military. A lot of them move to another state.
I worked with a lot of people who didn’t fall into the typical demographic, btw.
[QUOTE=TokyoPlayer]
For me, it’s because I don’t camp, so I’m infinitely less likely to see anyone else camping, let alone a black guy. This can be expressed in a mathematical expression:
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You, sir, are a true Doper. Bravo.
[QUOTE=tdn]
Don’t worry. It’ll just happen.
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I’m not worried. I MADE it happen.
