Hell, I think should just carry on. Let Roseanne be the racist bigot and whatever else; mental, addicted and mouthy, on the show. Carroll O’Connor did it for years, on All in the Family. It was a teaching moment. Opened a bunch of eyes.
Roseanne Barr and the character Roseanne Conner are a real type of person living in the good ol’ USA. Probably in your neighborhood.
Do you really think it’s the **writers **who are behind the soulless money grabbing? Writers?
I’m no fan of Roseanne the person or the character, but the show was exploring liberal themes like the already-mentioned gender fluid and black characters, and tolerance of Muslims. It was palatable to conservatives because it was done by a Trump lover. In that respect, I’m sorry to see it go. Maybe it would’ve made a difference. Plus, I loved seeing John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf.
But ABC knew what they were getting into with Roseanne. The show was canceled so quickly it makes me think there was already a plan in place for when she crossed a line. I hope she gets mental help.
Point taken. It’s the soulless corporate networks that are going for the money-grab - I suppose the argument could be made at the expense of the writers. I’m sure the most original shit being written anywhere never sees the light of day.
Yeah, that was why it was so aggravating talking about the show here. Too many people assumed it was a Trump commercial when that couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s clear salinqmind and JAQ never watched the show but just assume that since Trump lovin Roseanne is the star, it was about some racist family in a racist town.
Why did they put those other minorities in there? Because, and I can’t stress this enough, it was a liberal show. It was written by liberals. Roseanne herself was even originally a liberal before she became a Trumpaloon.
The first episode talks about Trump, sure. But it also introduces that Roseanne has no right to be all pro-life on her daughter and control her uterus. Darlene even flat out reminds Roseanne that she’s always said “her body, her choice.” It starts with the conservative position, but becomes more open.
The second has the gender noncomforming child. It has the family start out against it, but then talk to the kid, realize it’s important to him, and then accept him for who he is. All the while there was an aside about how they’d be okay if their daughter was gay. Again, they start out conservative, but learn.
Episode 3 was the corporal punishment episode. And while it couches it in the stupid “liberals don’t ever punish their kids” BS, it still winds up falling on the liberal side of corporal punishment being wrong. It’s weaker, I admit, but it’s there. As is episode 4, which just revisits the pro-choice thing again, with Dan telling off Roseanne.
There’s other smaller stuff between, like therapy being a normal thing, but the next big liberal moment is Episode 7, when Roseanne has to learn that Muslims are people, too. Sure, it sucks that this is where we are as a country, but they had to meet them there. Yes, people shouldn’t have to be “just like us” to be accepted, but it’s where it starts. It’s still undermining the Trumpian Islamophobia.
Then there’s Episode 8, which is a very liberal look at the problems with being poor. They aren’t poor because they don’t work. They’ve tried their hardest, and then society conspires against them. Then there’s the drug addiction issue, and rather than the conservative version of them being bad people, it’s sympathetic, a result of the same poor people problems.
Finally, episode 9 (and not the finale) caps that off by having them saved by FEMA. They get disaster relief because of a state of emergency–a government handout! Dan, who runs a repair business, is able to get enough money from that to not only repair their own house from flood damage, but also to help Roseanne’s knee.
Yes, I know that conservatives were claiming the show for themselves. But that doesn’t mean it was a conservative show. It means that it was designed to appeal to conservatives, which is a different ballgame. That some liberals got really upset about some things only helped!
So, hell yeah, I hope they can do this. I don’t think they can keep the Connors, unless Roseanne has given up her ownership on the rest, but I want the show to continue. I know it’s a blow, and that conservatives are trying to spin this as some attack on conservatives, but I still want a show like this out there. ABC is trying to keep the staff, maybe even a show with just the serial numbers filed off.
If the show can put out a liberal message but still piss off liberals, it would be a very good thing. Keep those conservatives happy while relearning the stuff we already take for granted.
True on the first, but not the second. You missed MY point. I suggested they should go “full retard”. as it were. Embrace the hate. Now that The Americans has ended, there’s a niche available for evil Americans.
It’s no different that the spinoff of comedy Mary Tyler Moore becoming the drama Lou Grant.
If it were clear going in that the show was about bad people, you know it’ll have an audience. Heck, it would probably get better ratings, here in trump’s America.
No, I got your point. You came into a thread about a show you’ve never seen to make a “suggestion” that was entirely based on your political beliefs and had nothing to do with anything else.
Very well said BigT.
It really was. Excellent job, Big T.
I’ve been reading that Roseanne who simply can not shut up is trying to negotiate for the show to continue without her. There’s so much crap flying around right now, but I hope that’s true, at least.
Dan wasn’t really dead. He had gone to prison and thus was “dead to” Roseanne.
He finally got out along with his brother Evelle. They immediately start on a crime spree to cover the entire southwest proper. And they keep going until they can retire. Or they get caught.
Either way, they’re fixed for life.
Don’t you mean his brother Elwood? And they change their last name to Blues? Since Dan’s youngest son D.J.'s full name was David Jacob, Dan starts using his middle name’s diminutive, Jake.
Reading between the lines, I would say John Goodman is absolutely FURIOUS with Roseanne.
He deserves better. I think he’ll be fine, but damn. Talk about friendly fire.
One 13 episode season wrap up with the soap opera trick for when the cast changes - “Now playing the role of Roseanne Conner…”
Lanford, IL gets infested with some alien species. Maybe it’s eggs in a meteor. Maybe the first creature comes through the hyperspace quantum flux modulated interdimensional invasion portal. You get some horror early in the season as the larva seek out hosts and burrow into brains. Build to some military action against adult aliens and panicked humans trying to breach the cordon. Include some post-apocalyptic chaos inside the cordon as those trapped struggle to survive. It’s small town working class America versus aliens. In the last episode, the attempt to develop some high tech cure/weapon fails and containment is under imminent threat of being breached. The peril to the entire species is indeed perilous.
Sigourney Weaver as the National Security Advisor then makes the recommendation to the President - “Nuke the entire site [del] from orbit[/del]. It’s the only way to be sure.” BOOM Roll credits.
It’s the Little House on the Prairie blow up the whole village approach to a series finale.
Thirded. The notion of a show with the kind of working class warts-and-all idiom and coexistence messaging **BigT **points to is not a new thing. It was once All In The Family and when you think of it part of its sucess lay in that when you looked at what the characters say and do, yes, Archie’s an ignorant bigot but he’s not a monster. And Meathead thinks he is what we now call woke but often is, well, meatheaded.
But as I mentioned in another thread part of the issue was that the execs felt that the way to do that worthy show, about that sort of family and environment, was to bring in the already established *Roseanne *canon and do it from there.
The network was right that you want to have a show about a WWC flyover country family, but took the easy and profitable way of not gambling on creating it from scratch, but instead bring in a product with a baked-in popular following up front. Plus having Roseanne in it meant that the Deplorables *would *watch and you could message them.
But now if there’s an attempt to re-create The Conner Family minus Roseanne, it has the problem that the audience that Roseanne Barr drew in is not going to want to watch, and now they know it was at best a pandering and at worst a trap to make them hear liberal ideas.
It’s happening. Barr’s not going to have any creative or even financial involvement.
Rosanne OD’ed on opiates between seasons. They set it up, with her dependency and all. Or maybe she was on opiates and had a car accident while driving her Uber. Then they have a very special episode where they talk about the dangers of opiate addiction. And we all move on. Except maybe Becky.
Interestingly it is in the show’s background that back in high school Dan liked Jackie, not Roseanne. When he called the house to ask for a date–he thought he was talking to Jackie, but it was a bad connection and it turned out it was Roseanne. He wanted to be polite and went through with the date…
So…I’d love to see a slow build of the two them ending up together.
They also set up her surgery for her knee, so how about: She dies in surgery, the Connors sue for malpractice, but then the government finds out Dan padded his estimate for repairing the basement, and sues him for fraud. Any payout they get for Roseanne goes to paying the lawyers and fines from the government, so they still end up perpetually broke - *and it’s still all Roseanne’s fault. *
Roseanne wins the lottery, lies to officials that Dan had a heart attack and died, takes the cash payout and disappears.