What's Your Vision for America?

It has been proposed that Democrats and liberals should think their vision of what America should be over carefully so that when the 2006-2008 elections roll around, they’ll be able to present a united, clear vision to the American people and win them over if such a vision is indeed superior to the Republican/conservative vision.

I think this is a very good idea, and so I’ve written up my vision which I’ll lay out in the next post so you don’t need to read it if you don’t want to. I invite you to post your vision as well. I also invite conservatives to post their vision, because I know that many of the conservatives on this board have visions that vary greatly from the current administration’s, and also it might be instructive to see where our visions converge or digress.

At the end, maybe we’ll have a consensus vision that could be useful, or perhaps we’ll discover underlying values that vary from the current Democratic leadership’s.

We may also want to discuss what policies arise naturally from our visions, and how they might be implemented. The Devil is in the details, they say, so this might need its own thread if there are a lot of responses.

In my version of America, we’re the wealthiest, most advanced, most socially well knit society on the planet. America has a free market economy that works better than any other, because we have learned not to allow the Invisible Hand to snuff out our people and our spirits. Just as the Invisible Hand has largely been stayed from starving babies and chidlren in the U.S., we will also learn to keep it from enslaving people and keeping them ill-housed, ill-fed and plain old ill as adults.

In America, we value innovation, intelligence, enterprise and energy. We don’t care what kind of package those qualities come in: whether they are brown or black or white, or male or female, or young or old, or gay or straight. We want the benefit of all their abilities, and to that end we don’t create artificial barriers that make it difficult for them to bring those benefits to us. We fight racism, sexism, whatever, not just because these things are unfair or wrong, but because they impoverish us – all of us. We maximize our human capital.

To that end, we value knowledge and education. We make obtaining both as easy as humanly possible. We encourage research, we do not suppress it.

In America we believe in the value and dignity of people, and of the work they do. We believe that anybody who’s working should be able to feed, clothe and shelter themselves, and get basic health care, whether they are pushing burgers or selling real estate for a living. They guy or gal who’s washing dishes and picking cotton may not make as much money as the middle manager shuffling papers, but at times it’s hard to say whose work is more valuable to society, and it’s always clear that both deserve to make a living on their work – in my America, anyway. If either guy (or gal’s) kids get sick, they should be able to get treatment, period.

And while we believe in the value of work, we also believe in the value of recreation. We give people plenty of time for vacation and for their own use, because we believe that the person who’s stuck in a dead-end job might find a way to get out of that job, through study and/or personal effort (such as by starting a business on the side). At the very least, we know that it’s good for people to have time and interests outside work.

My America is expansionist – we think colonizing space, the moon and Mars are good things in and of themselves. We do not, of course, believe in colonizing inhabited areas.

In America, we value the environment, because we realize that we live in the environment, and that in the future, our kids will be living in it. While we generally encourage business development and innovation, we do not allow businessmen who would make themselves richer by making the environment worse for everyone else to get away with it. We consider the true cost of industry and we take it into account when we develop. We look hard for solutions that will allow for development when a proposed development threatens the environment, but if the conflict is truly a zero sum game, the developer loses. Fortunately, we are very good at finding real solutions to such conflicts – and very smart about what recognizing what is a real conflict and what is a fake one.

America is a peaceful nation. We do not invade other countries unless they pose a clear and imminent danger to us. We realize we have critical interests around the world, and we work unabashedly to protect our interests, but we consider force and violence to be tools of last resort. We use diplomacy and espionage intelligently and skillfully, and most of all, we export our culture to other countries where possible, figuring that if we really do have something to offer the people of the world, they will seize it wilingly – we won’t have to force it on them.

In the same way, we are open to the contributions of other cultures, and place no restrictions on the import of services, products and ideas so long as they’re not actively malevolent (for example, addictive drugs or human slaves) trusting to our ability to choose what’s good for us as well.

We realize that there are rulers in other countries who short-sightedly seek an advantage by not allowing their people to choose what’s best for them from world culture. We work secretly and not-so-secretly to end their reigns, often in association with other countries who share our values in this respect.

While we respect the right of other peoples and cultures to live lives in their own way, there are some things Up With Which We Will Not Put, such as wars of aggression, genocide, maiming and/or torture of prisoners and capital punishment.

By the same token we recognize the right of everyone to worship as they please, or not to worship at all, and we oppose any attempt to impose worship on any person or group by any government or corporation.

In my perfect utopian dreams…

Well, I guess you could say, severe socialism. The government owns companies that compete with private companies. High tax rates, getting higher as you go up the tiers. Government-supplied medicare. Government-supplied jobs to balance out the unemployment (FDR style). Compelte overhaul of public school systems to keep all schools on a standardized basis and extend it to 2 year colleges. I would invest government funds in the governments of third world nations provided they meet strict standards of democracy. De-militarization of the military, mainly in removing the large-scale warfare capabilities (investment in MBTs, etc). Oh, and complete removal of all religious references from government documents.

Probably a re-writing of the Constitution to update it to international and humanitarian law and modern terminology, and clean up some of the mess of the government. Give more power to the states.

You get the idea, and you probably don’t like it. Tough cookies.

Paladud’s vision of America

My America is the Savage’s America.

The government is cut down to controlling the military, police, legal/judicial, and punitive functions on the federal level. The last three exist on the state and local levels as well.

There are no social safety nets. There is no government-funded education. There are no subsidies to farmers. There is no FDA.

Any action that does not harm or defraud another human being is legal. (A fetus is not a human being). Punishments involve restitution to the victim and some time spent in Sisyphean labor camps. First degree murder is punishable by capital punishment (assuming DNA evidence).

Limited-liability corporations cannot exist. Only a human being, not some clouded concept, can bear the rights and responsibilities of ownership.

Private businesses are free to discriminate nonviolently on any basis they choose; property rights supersede civil rights. Government employees are not, and face severe punishment for such a violation.

My America will never invade another nation again. As a result, the ground forces are greatly reduced, and much of the remainder consists of national guard units, as they will only be needed for defense. The Navy and Air Force remain at a fair portion of their current strength, as an attack on US soil will draw massive retaliation in kind, through bombing rather than ground occupation.

Environmental issues are a mixed bag. If someone owns a forest, they are well within their rights to have it chopped down. OTOH, environmental pollution will result in heavy fines (covering cleanup + restitution to anyone harmed by the pollution + a large punitive sum).

The government itself would be some kind of benevolent dictatorship, probably stemming from an artificial intelligence designed to preserve such a system. The problem with democracy is that people vote to impose happiness over freedom on everyone, whereas here they can only do that by contract within private societies.

It will also most likely, in pretty much all respects except military reduction and culling of religion from law, piss Zagadka off very severely. :stuck_out_tongue:

One man’s dream is another man’s nightmare.

Yep; right; good luck.

On the other hand, I am surprisingly in agreement with Evil Captor’s vision. My first comment would be that the reference to picking cotton is in variance with the way it is picked today. On a more serious note, I do not agree with the idea of exporting our culture. Every since I was a kid, it bothered me that churchs talked about missionaries going to other countries to change their religious beliefs. I feel the same about changing their culture which includes their religious practices.* To encourage democracy is an admirable goal, but to do it with even a benign intent of making their culture more like ours isn’t right. As the globe gets smaller and smaller cultures will blend, but that is different from encouraging others to accept our culture. I also wander if we would be in as much agreement concerning the means of achieving the visions.

*[sup]Perhaps too much emphasis on the religion, which is used only to acknowledge there is somewhat of a connection with what I said about missionaries.[/sup]

Vision for America

Short Term or Long Term?

Long Term vision is: Not to have a “Vision for America”, but have a vision for planet earth and beyond. Example of “beyond”: (1) not abandoning your dead American satellite garbage in the outer space, the same way that uneducated people on earth throw their garbage out of the window of their car as they drive through the highway., and (2) recognizing that if we do not reduce the worldwide economic gap between the rich and the poor, it will come back to haunt us in the USA.

Short Term Vision is: Try to get away from the idea that “America” is supposed to become the “best” among all other nations. By implementing a vision of “America better than anyone else”, we are going to create unnecessary rivalry between America and the rest of the world: such as The United States of Europe, China, India, and other forthcoming unions. And all that rivalry is to prove what? Is there a vision higher than merely winning in a competition of Nations? To an American, is life merely a Football, Baseball or a Hockey game? Pick up the Sport Section to see who is wining. Fuck the front page headlines?

I say the very concept of “Vision for America” is a narrow-minded, egocentric and nationalist concept. Let’s start with a “Vision for Planet Earth and Beyond”, and then deduce what should be the vision for its subsets – America being merely a subset of a bigger picture.

Three day work weeks.

Water fountains replaced with Sprite and Coke fountains.

Free mental health services for everyone.

Every vacant lot turned into community gardens.

An indefinite moratorium on wars.

Right, and my life is a living nightmare.

I don’t see what people can possibly have against socialzed medicare. Sheesh.

I don’t know that your socialism is as severe as you seem to think it is. You do have private companies in our society. Your school system is just an update of the present one – I’m with you on the standardization and the overhaul, the present system is grossly unfair and badly thought out.

I do have a problem with your plan to invest in third world governments based on their form of government. There is this little problem called “kleptocracy” that keep cropping up in the Third World, no matter what the form of government. I would use as a criterion for investment the likelihood that the funds will be used for the purposes they’re assigned to, rather than to send government official’s kids to schools in Switzerland, right next to their bank accounts.

I would definitely maintain a strong offensive capability in our military, and would make one of the requirements for everyone in the chain of command from the commander in chief on down that they study military history, strategy and organization before they assume command. Some of the mistakes that have been made recently were kinda predictable.

I’d be careful of rewriting the Constitution, but I would reform the government to international and humanitarian law, and I’d also reform our electoral system to comply with the requirements for free and fair elections (i.e., no more henhouses with foxes for guards).

In my vision, we’re free: To not register with the Selective Service. To drive about any speed on lonely deserted highways. To hunt with dogs. To race horses for money, play poker, or shoot dice. To buy beer 24 hours a day. To smoke in restraunts and bars. To go to titty bars and see titties without pasties. To have a Mexican rodeo with all events. To grow, smoke, and sell ‘mota’. To eat ‘tripas’ or ‘cesos’. To make hard liquor just like wine and beer. To fight roosters, dogs, or bulls. To own and carry knives, saps, slungshots, etc. To saw off rifle and shotgun barrels. To control protected predators. Etc. :smiley:

Oh, I agree with that, most of hte third-world governments we currently support or ignore are horribly corrupt; even some of our allies are horribly corrupt. Hell, Mexico is horribly corrupt.

But I should have clarified. When I said “invest in third world countries” I meant more of invest by using American business power to go in and redo their agricultural and industrial sectors, not pouring money into some tyrant’s coffers. In fact, it would be more of an economic invasion. There would be no money pouring into the dictator’s wallets or into corrupt government officials, because they wouldn’t be a part of the system. And for the short term, as long as the dictator/whoever was in charge wasn’t too corrupt and the country was improving, that would be fine with me. It is a way to throttle the power of the corrupt governments, revitalize their countries to the point that they can hold democratic elections and be self-sufficient, and gain a helluva lot of foreign good will (which we’d need, since my model calls for a massive stepdown of the military).

I disagree. Government is very necessary and useful, especially for redressing the harms that the free market will inevitably do to a society and the people living in it. An unfettered free market is actually very inefficient, because the people who have wealth and power will inevitably use their influence to conserve that wealth and power for themselves and their families, leading to capitalist oligarchies as bad as any hereditary oligarchy. Free markets cannot exist for long without a government that actively fights these trends.

If the richest nation on Earth doesn’t protect itself overseas, it will soon be protecting itself on its home soil. Nothing invites a seige like a fortress.

Your notion that clear-cutting land doesn’t constitute pollution is just plain wrong. Property rights have to give way to common rights where the environment is concerned, if you are going to make any effort to protect the environment at all.

My goal is not so much to promote happiness, though I’m all for it, but to maximize human growth and potential. Be all you can be is a fine motto for everyone, not just the Army.

As long as we don’t piss people off and play friendly, we don’t really have to worry about an invasion.

BTW, who the hell is going to invade us? Mexico? That would be the largest military operation in the history of anything. I think we’d see it coming, and we aren’t exactly helpless if someone were to “siege” us (somehow).

scotandrsn’s vision:

Step 1: Define “America”

We are a collection of individual sovereign states, each with their own interests, who have recognized the benefits of working in conjunction with each other. Any region on Earth could be a state in the Union, but if they are not, they are a sovereign nation. No other nation is our colony or protectorate. The days of “territories”, at least on this planet, are over. Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico and our other protectorates are given the option of joining the union in full statehood, or becoming a sovereign, allied nation. The Southwest area of the country (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and parts of Texas, Colorado, and Utah) is currently still operating as Occupied Northern Mexico, with a rather porous definition of area. This status must be resolved by either strengthening the borders (see below) or offering statehood to all of Mexico or parts of it. Same goes for Southern Canada.

Step 2: Do not let anyone else define America for us (i.e., once we have determined where our borders start and stop, protect them physically and economically)

The lesson of The 11th of September is that we need to stop fucking around in terms of protecting ourselves. You are either in the country temporarily for a legitimate purpose (business, study, tourism), or you are already or are in the process of becoming a citizen. Case closed. Enforcement of this must be strengthened. The INS (or whatever it is now) will open offices close to whatever border is showing a lot of interest. Its biggest area of operations should currently be in the Southwest US, not Washington. We do not need guest workers, but we welcome new citizens willing to work.

The Border Patrol and the Coast Guard are combined into different aspects of the same protection force. As the Federal use of National Guard troops in Iraq has shown, the spirit of the agreement by which the feds took over the function of the state militia has been abused. Control of each state’s National Guard units are to be relinquished by the feds to the Governor of each state as the State’s militia.

As regards gun control, the Second Amendment is to be followed to the letter: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” By the federal government, that is. Each state will have its own laws regarding gun control, the federal role limited to prosecuting the conduct of weapons-related activities across state lines in violation of any state’s laws. In the state I live in, I want anyone to be able to own as many guns of whatever type they please (within reason; e.g., no one needs a Howitzer in their back yard), so long as they: 1)re-register each and every one of them annually; 2) are subject, upon application for a gun operator’s license, and periodically thereafter, to a test designed to demonstrate knowledge of proper use and understanding of state laws regarding weapons; 3) sign a document upon registration stating their awareness that, as a gun owner, they are on permanent 24-hour call to the State Militia.

more to follow…

It’s best to avoid heavy interaction with people into the “visions” thing.

Visions are mental images produced by the imagination, sometimes including alledged mystical experiences involving the supernatural.

At best, these people are simp;ly time wasters–dreamers. At worst, it’s a sign of of potentially serious mental or psychological problems.

oh aahala, just play along.

I too dream of an America that can be.

An America that understands that freedoms and rights are not to be usurped out of fear disproportionate to risk but that also understands that there are times when calm rational analysis forces one to conclude that sometimes some limits on individual and corporate behaviors are necessary for the greater good. An America that decides upon the imposition of those limits only on the basis of a clear case made for a substantial greater good, not based on who lobbies the loudest or most expensively.

An America that understands that freedom of speech doesn’t only mean freedom for me to say what I want to, but for someone else to say what I don’t want to hear. That freedom of religion means more than my freedom to try to legislate my morals into law of the land; that it means respect for faiths of all sorts including those whose only faith is in a secular value system.

An America that understands that a quality education for all is in all our interests.

An America that understands that basic healthcare for all is in all our interests.

An America that understands that we are the stewards of our children’s future and takes that responsibity seriously. That looks beyond the next four years and considers the effect of a record deficit on the generation to come. That looks at the effect of global warming on generations to come and actually responds meaningfully.

An America that leads a community of nations by being an example and by being a member of the community rather than by having the biggest stick in town.

An America made of individuals who understand that we must be for ourselves, because no one else will be; that we must not be only for ourselves because then what are we; and that now is the time. (Apologies to Hillel.)

We can be that country. We can be wise enough to walk to the future with a rational balance of individual freedom and societal compassion and responsible stewardship. We can ask for the best out of ourselves.

Your vision needs a better PR agent. :slight_smile:

…scotandrsn’s vision, continued

  1. Conduction of Government Affairs

The Ninth Amendment (“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”) and the Tenth Amendment (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”) are to be followed to the letter. When in doubt, power in a certain area of civic affairs is to be handled at the most local level reasonable.

Modern technology renders Washington, D.C. superfluous. Why send our elected representatives there to make grand pronouncements to an empty chamber in a parody of debate? It would make more sense for Congresspeople to maintain an office in their home state, close and more responsive to their constituency, and conduct business by telecommunication. C-Span can carry the feeds of the videoconferencing. This creates a fifty-fold increase in the expenditures of national lobbyists, a good thing in my book. The president will remain in his own home, which will be remodeled to provide a proper level of security, and the Executive offices will be set up locally. The Supreme Court will be relocated to Wichita, Kansas. The District of Columbia can either join Maryland or Virginia, or become a state at last. The White House will be turned into the National Museum of American History.

As far as elections go, The 17th Amendment is repealed, and my state will make the Office of Presidential Elector a position filled by direct public popular vote. Since we have so many, we will elect 1/4 of the California Electoral College each year to a four year term. Deliberations of the College will be televised, as will their vote

The role of the federal government is to administer the union of the states. It also speaks as the one voice of the nation to the rest of the world. Because this nation regards Democracy as the highest form of government, and regards all humans as being created equal, the Federal Government has an interest in promoting the spread of democracy throughout the world.

In foreign affairs, this means the first point of contact should be with the people of a nation, not the guy with the epaulets who claims to be in charge, unless it is clear that the people wish him to be. The Golden Rule shall be followed when considering another nation’s sovereignty.

Locally, because you can sink to abysmal levels of poverty and squalor in anarchy or a dictatorship as easily as under any other system, part of the role of the feds in promoting our system will be to declare and enforce a high minimum standard of living for each and every citizen. Each state is free to create its own laws raising their local standard above this, but no state law shall allow an American citizen to sink below this standard. Wages, corporate taxes, and tarriffs whall be structured to maintain the national standard of living while making it economically wise for American businesses to hire American workers, and for foreign businesses selling goods in America to open up shop here as well.

As an economic powerhouse in the world, the United States is behooved to recognize the effect of its citizens’ needs and wants on the rest of the world. For example, possession of imported narcotics will be a federal crime, as the market it creates undermines the ability of allied nations to control the use of their arable land. Convicted first-time offenders shall be subject to rehabilitation and and education program apprising them of the effects of the nation’s hunger fro drugs on the world. Upon signing a statement that they understand the consequences, they are released. Second offenders are treated as though they were aiding a foreign enemy.

In fact, the whole legal and social system needs to be stuctured in such a way that to fail to understand and follow the laws of the land would take considerable effort on the part of the individual, justifying harsh punishment for violation. However, while some may commit acts worthy of death, it shall never be the job of an imperfect bureaucratic state to impose this punishment. The goal of the penal system shall be restitution and rehabilitation where possible, permanent separation from decent society where impossible.

  1. Education

Electing leaders to run such a system requires a well-educated populace. The United States will strive to have a public education system surpassing that of any other nation, with federally-required heavy emphasis on civics focusing on the nature and spirit of the laws of our land. A High School Diploma will not only be your ticket to a bright future, it will be your ticket to vote.