Note to Mr. Cynical: I assume we split the losses 50/50?
Lessee… one shiny quarter: $0.25
And one 1996 Peugeot 306…: $9,000
That makes $4,500.13 each. Deal?
Of course, we could bribe the guy into jumping her bones 
I could bribe him into not jumping my bones!! But I don’t need to!
It’s too bad there isn’t some way we could actually try this out! Guess you’ll just have to trust me when I tell you that he doesn’t (and wouldn’t) want to have sex with me. I know that guys will f**k anything/anyone under any circumstances but that doesn’t mean that this guy wants to bang me! Even if he does, he wouldn’t and I know for a fact I wouldn’t. I’m not sexually attracted to him at all!! Sometimes I find it hard to believe that he even gets laid!
OK, I’m getting nauseous thinking about this. We have to stop talking about this now!! :eek:
Rachelle said:
There are exceptions to every rule, but I don’t think this guy is one of them. Unless you are butt ugly, given the sexual history you just gave for this guy (“I find it hard to believe that he even gets laid”), he hasn’t approached you because he knows it is hopeless to get you interested in him or at least he is smart enough to know he would lose what he has with you if he did. I think there is 0.0% chance that he wouldn’t go for it if he believed you were sincere and wouldn’t laugh in his face as soon as he actually took you up on the offer. Coldfire and Mr. Cynical I totally concur with your opinions, however I am not willing to join you in the bet against Rachelle’s chastity with this gentleman as she may think it demeaning and I don’t want to lose my opportunity with this babe. 
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I agree with you on this because men don’t turn down sex with a good looking woman (Not to be an egomaniac or anything but I think I’m kind of cute)
But he also knows that I would never offer myself to him… jokingly I would but never seriously!!
Thanks hon!
Rachelle Sez:
Not to be obstinate, but wouldn’t that render the invitation moot? If there’s an implied “you’re crazy if you think I’m serious” clause, then the chance to get it on is without merit.
Now, if you were to be seriously making an offer…I think the circumstances would be different.
Let’s say, for instance, that you had just consumed a large quantity of a substance that not only lowers your inhibitions, but also makes you extremely aroused. Your buddy is the only man around. You are ready for some boom-boom, and he’s the lucky winner. He knows that this is his chance to prove himself with you, thereby ensuring that you will be a repeat customer, if’n you know what I mean.
Do you STILL think that he’d say no?
I’ve not had the fortune to be in such a far-fetched situation. However, were I given the chance? Puhleeze.
Tiiiiiiiiiiin Roof!
(rusted)
Mr. Cynical…I did exactly that. Consumed a large (actually, it was very large) amount of alcohol when hanging out with a guy friend of mine. He drove me home and put me in bed, and I invited him to stay. He said “Ask me sometime when you’re sober” and he left. I was never attracted to him sober, and I never got that drunk again, but I was really impressed with the friend side of him, because he walked out and locked the door behind him.
I’m positive he’d say no. That’s how much faith I have in our friendship. Actually, I talked to him about this thread last night and he thought it was pretty funny. He said that even if I was drunk and begged him to have sex with me he would tell me no. (and I believe him) Now my friend, Dave, on the other hand, he would take advantage of the situation but that’s another story.
Sorry, Rachelle, you’re fooling yourself. I think the previous posters’ “drunk scenario” is a pointless distraction from this debate; what he wants is not to get laid, but to have you as his girlfriend. He might turn you down if you were drunk and asked for sex, but only because he’d hope you’d see that as noble and consequently want him as a boyfriend more.
So, looking at it that way, I’ll buy in to the bet, offering my house along with the other guys’ Peugeot and quarter.
He doesn’t want me for his girlfriend! Why have we been friends for over 7 years… he’s waiting for me to see what a great guy he is! Puh-leeze! I know what a great guy he is and I wish he could find someone worthy of what he has to offer, but I’m not that woman and I never will be.
Let me say this, if he had the choice of having sex with me and losing our friendship, or keeping things the way they are now, (just friends & nothing more), he would choose the friendship over the sex. That is a fact and that’s what I’m talking about.
Ok, so if the likelyhood is A.) if you are a female and B.) you have male friends than C.) they probably want to sleep with you. Fine. Dandy. So why is it that a woman can not be sexually attracted to a man at all, and yet still see redeeming qualities for a friendship in him, but men never seem to take the time to be friends with a chick UNLESS he wants to sleep with her? Is it just that the stereotype of all men wanting to sleep with all women, regardless of personality, or looks is true?
I hope this doesn’t come across as hostile, it’s just that men confuse the hell out of me.
I think you need to get out of Kansas once and awhile and see the world, because what you are saying is just naive. The guy is either a pathetic loser (actually, he reminds me of myself alot except I don’t have a hot babe like you to hang with) or he is not facing the truth. I haven’t met guys like the one you talk about except in paperback novels. He may for the time being accept that all you are is friends, but it has to bother him to know that you think he is so repulsive that it is the reason two people of the opposite sex with a great relationship otherwise don’t hook up as a couple. Personally, I might have accepted that when I was young and naive, but now if I was friends with a woman who I felt considered me sexually unattractive and I didn’t feel it mutually for her too, I would dump the bitch so fast she wouldn’t remember my name.
You’re closing in on it, Riddles.
The most likely scenario:
A.) If you are a woman around a man
B.) He wants to sleep with you.
I, myself, have lots of female friends. Gimme a minute while I think here…
Yes, I’d like to sleep with each and every one of them. However, it was not a physical attraction that led me to befriend any of them. Nay, it was simply the fact that I like them.
In fact, I think that the only women that I do not find myself thinking about sleeping with are those I haven’t met yet.
Sure, when the leggy redhead goes waling down the street, instant fantasy. I have a pulse. However, I might not take notice of a woman more around the mean. I’ve got other things happening in my head, too. Perhaps I am still fantasizing about the leggy redhead.
I would wager, however: If I were presented with the same woman that I didn’t notice on the street earlier, and was in a situation where I had some time to speak with/look at her…it would take me (as well as most other men) no less than a few minutes to wonder how she performs in bed.
Yet, I would not act upon it. This is of course out of deference to 1.) My Dear Wife, and 2.)I don’t like getting slapped/sued. Many a premature gray hair has sprouted forth due to this horrible conflict of curiosity and morality. I fully expect to be damned directly to hell.
My pig-like need to debate the sexual prowess of every woman in my life (excepting relatives, I moved out of the south years ago :D) causes me great emotional pain. Perhaps one of you ladies would like to discuss it with me, say over dinner?
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it has to bother him to know that you think he is so repulsive that it is the reason two people of the opposite sex with a great relationship otherwise don’t hook up as a couple.
Give me a break here. Not all friendships could be relationships even if both partners were physically attracted. If that were the case, the whole process would be much easier. I could just find a guy I’m attracted to and if he was also attracted----BINGO----start the wedding march. I have a male friend that I think is very sexy, but he leads a much differnt lifestyle than I do. Makes for a fun friendship and some great debates, but would never work out in a marriage or SO situation.
I think that the relationship aspect, at least in this case, can’t be looked at in the “Oh honey, I love you and want to marry you” perspective.
To reach the proper conclusion desired by the OP, we have to consider this more along the lines of “throw me on the floor and do me” point of view. This is about sexual attraction, not budding love, no?
So, SingleFiles, what happened with the fishing trip? He show you his worm? Bait your hook? Put his fingers in your creel?
I think that both men and women quickly size each other up and put each other into categories – jerks, just friends, good friends but nothing sexual, and potential partners. So yes, it is possible for men and women to be good friends with nothing sexual there.
However, Rachelle, to get my two cents in, I also think that he’d jump at the chance to take the relationship to another level. You say he wanted you for the first THREE years? That’s a long time, sweetheart.
I suppose you could come right out and ask him if he ever thinks about taking the relationship to a different level. Unless, of course, you’re one of those people who doesn’t want sex to ruin a beautiful friendship.
Mr. Cynical…actually the fishing trip was fun. I caught two. He has since called to see if I want to do something this Sunday. I am one of those poor souls that work Saturdays. As it turns out, I don’t yet have plans for Sunday, and I would love to spend time with him, but I don’t want to lead him on and I don’t know how to bring up the subject. I was half asleep when he called, so I told him I’d get back to him. Any ideas? I know you don’t think this is possible, but let me add here that he is not in a relationship right now and has told me that he likes the adult companionship given that he works with kids.
Perhaps the only thing you could do is say something really harsh.
“No, I’m going to go out and find a guy that turns my crank, unlike you my good friend, and boink him till my ass looks like a baboon’s.”
That would get the point across.
I just don’t know what else to say to convince you guys that he doesn’t want to have sex with me. It’s not that I find him repulsive, I think he’s attractive but he’s just not my type. And I don’t think I’m being niave I think you all (most of the guys anyway) are being very stereotypical. I guess that all men, everywhere in the world, want to fuck every female they come in contact with. I think that’s bullshit! (And being from Kansas has nothing to do with anything! We have the same shit you guys have where you live.)
Well, I’m done trying to explain my platonic relationship to you guys because you will never understand it and are obviously incapable of ever having that type of relationship with a woman.
I don’t mean to come off so bitchy but I had a long night and am not feeling well so my mood is very shitty. Maybe tomorrow I’ll feel better! 
Have a great day everyone!
There are some very nasty stereotypes about men being tossed around in this thread. The worst part is that they’re stereotypes lots of men (in the USA, anyway) try very hard to fulfill.
Here’s my experience. I’m attracted to a lot of women. I’ve been attracted to a lot of women (well, girls, at first) ever since puberty. But I’m not attracted to all women. Sometimes — several times, actually — I’ve been very sexually attracted to a woman until I got to know her better, but gradually the attraction has faded, leaving only friendship.
It’s not impossible that I could end up in bed with a woman I don’t find attractive. (In the abstract, anyway — at the moment, I’m married, which gives me a terrific excuse to say no.) Men are expected to perform, to be always ready and eager for sex, and I’ve unfortunately soaked up some of that expectation. It’s part of the American definition of masculinity.
I don’t think I’d really do that, though, and I know I’d regret it if I did.
And there are a lot of women I don’t find attractive.
I don’t know about Rachelle’s friend, but I don’t see any reason to doubt her a priori — maybe he’s just like me. If I were single files’s friend, I would say, “Yes, I could definitely just be your friend,” but I can’t speak for him — it all depends on how he will cope with being friends with someone he’s really attracted to.
Women:
Simply put - Why wouldn’t he sleep with you?
- He’s not desperate, not drunk, and thinks you’re unattractive.
- He’s staunchly gay with no bi-sexual tendencies.
If you are ‘Friends’ what is it that is preventing a physical relationship other than your qualms? The answer is nothing other than the above listed.
Interesting challenges both to those sensitive men who claim that they would never sleep with their attractive female friends and the attractive women who do not believe that their male friends would sleep with them.
For the gals -
Confess (as sincerely as you can muster) that you’ve been having dreams about your male friend and that your feelings for him have become sexually charged. Let him know that you would like to pursue a physical relationship with him. I’ll wager that he will sensitively jump at the chance.
For the guys -
Your gal-pal does the above. I’ll wager (again) that you will sensitively jump her bones.
The other end of the spectrum challenges:
For the gals -
Confess (as sincerely as you can muster) that you’ve been thinking about your male friend and that you’ve come to realize that he is the most physically repulsive individual that you’ve ever encountered. Let him know that given the choice between making the eight legged armadillo with him and peeling off your skin to lie on a fire ant mound you’d be frantically searching for razorblades. I’ll wager (yet again) that he will sensitively stop interacting with you.
For the guys -
Your gal-pal does the above. I’ll wager (a final time) that you will sensitively dump her in a heartbeat.