What would be truly fair is if there was a way to prevent this guy from getting married.
For those of you who would like to boycott the art director in hopes he would lose his job: if you were his boss, would you fire him? Why or why not?
California is an “at will” employment state. I can fire his ass because I don’t like his color of tie. Don’t like it? Pass a law.
The question was, “would you”?
Of course I would. He affects my bottom line. Fired.
Fair enough. But how about if he wasn’t affecting the bottom line? Say the theater was in a part of CA that was pro Prop 8. Or that you were the only person who learned of the donation.
Take it for what you will. It means, I’m Christian, and proud of it.
To some that means, “okay, good for you.”
To me it means, “I’ll take your rights away.”
I’d never knowingly spend money at the latter business. Put a swastika in your phone book ad and see if I shop there.
Prior to Prop 8 I’d say “you’re entitled to your beliefs.”
Post Prop 8 I’d say, “so, you want to use the law against me? Well, me too. Get out.”
Okay. So the issue really isn’t the bottom line. Just to be clear, though, the employee did nothing illegal. And he was just exercising his right as a citizen to craft the society to be one he thinks best. And he hadn’t previously been disrespectful to you or gays. In fact, he probably works with people that are openly gay and it hasn’t been a problem. Still, you’d fire him. Is that right?
Just so I understand you though, would you fire him in all scenarios below. Or, I should say, which ones? Why and why not?
A: Employee votes for Prop 8
B: Employee marches for Prop 8 to pass
C: Employee donates in support of Prop 8
Also, how about you were a woman and an employee voted and donated to a group promoting pro-life legislation? Fire him, I assume?
I found a picture once that showed the two with a heart between them once. It was pretty cute.
(But um, if you honestly are comparing a Christian symbol to a swastika, you’ve got some issues)
Same here. Hell where I live I could fire him simply for being straight. :rolleyes:
I don’t know what tangled little web you’re trying to weave. My position is simple: You took away my rights and excuse it as legal. I get you fired and my excuse is it’s legal.
Deal with it.
Why are you upset someone suffered? You’ve never shown the propensity for it before.
Take a pill and stop acting like an angry 4 year old.
The point of the post is where does the targeted action begin accumulating “collateral damage” and at this point is the boycott not “moral” or what have you. These are always tough decisions to make but a guess a rule can be established that most boycotts are ineffectual in the event.
If you voted to take away my rights you are not collateral damage.
Accusations implying dishonesty and admonitions implying immaturity are both better posted in the Pit than in GD.
Cool down. It’s a debate, not an attack upon anyone’s mother.
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There’s no trap I’m trying to set. I’m simply trying to understand at what point someone is “allowed” to hold a position you object to when it triggers you to intentionally harm them. (No, not physically.) I think this is an interesting debate and am really trying to understand, specifically, what your position is. and the principle(s) underlying it.
If it helps you, I’m a bit conflicted on this issue myself. On the one hand I’d hate to think that I’m enabling someone to work against my interests or beliefs, on the other I think we have to allow people to hold counter positions as to what kind of society we have without demonizing them.
You’re argument that “it’s legal” doesn’t address the issues I’m trying to get at.
Well, in most places, it comes when those degenerates want to be treated like normal, decent citizens. Getting married, sitting at the front of the bus, shit like that. As if!
Failing to support someone’s business or employer is not harming them. While you’re not helping them, you’re not harming them either. They are not owed your business.
I don’t see anything wrong with boycotting, or firing anyone who voted to support this measure. It is bigotry, and those who support it are bigots. The fact that it is religiously backed makes it even more reprehensible given that we are supposed to enjoy universal human rights, and a secular government in this country. I keep a list of businesses that had “yes on 2” in their windows and will not patronize them. I also sent that list to friends urging them to do the same. it’s no different then supporting skinheads.
Well isn’t who you get to marry a pretty important issue too? This fellow took it upon himself to help prevent other people from being able to marry the people they love. How exactly would a gay marriage have hurt him? If you don’t like gay marriage don’t marry a dude (unless you’re a chick).
He choose to meddle in other people’s lives for his own selfish bigoted hated and for that he’s subhuman scum who deserves what ever he gets.
Sure he did it “legally”, but so is the boycott. I hope the next place he works at get boycotted too, and the one after that, and that, till he’s an unemployable beggar.