Or they could just make their next OS Linux or Berkeley.
Not that I want that. Bad enough Linux being blamed for it’s flaws, without Linux being blamed for Microsoft’s giggling inanities.
As i said, i don’t even notice the updates. They are downloaded and installed in the background.
I see no more ads on Windows 10 than i saw on Windows 7. Not a single extra one. My desktop looks exactly the same as it did on Win 7, and i use exactly the same programs in exactly the same ways.
Not sure what you mean by slower hard drives, but alongside my solid state drive, which contains the operating system and my programs, i am running 5 regular hard drives in my case, from 5900 to 7200 rpm, and they all work fine. To be honest, unless you’re on an incredibly tight budget these days, SSDs for the OS and programs are pretty damn cheap. You can get a perfectly decent 128GB SSD for under 60 bucks.
I don’t have to restart my computer all the time. It sometimes goes days without being turned off. Other times, i turn it off every night and then turn it on again in the morning. In both cases, it works just fine. And there are plenty of programs that can be installed without requiring a restart. If a program does require a restart, the speed of my hardware and the operating system means that it costs me all of 30 seconds. Big fucking deal.
This operating system is not Linux, for a reason. It’s because tens of millions of clueless people use it, and not a few million ubergeeks. I like Linux, and have played around with a few different distros. I have a second computer running the latest Ubuntu LTS. But anyone who complains that Windows 10 is a problem because it doesn’t work like Linux is, quite frankly, jerking off.
I think what annoys me more than anything about overwrought Windows critics is that i end up defending Microsoft, which i hate doing, because the company has annoyed me in dozens of ways during the 20+ years that i’ve been running its operating systems. I know they’re profit-driven and inconsiderate, and i know they have dicked over their customers in a variety of ways, but they also, these days, produce a pretty damn good operating system that does everything i need it to do, and far more besides.
I’m not sure which planet you live on but it certainly sounds like a wonderful version of Windows you have up there. Here on Earth my last Microsoft update (the Windows Creators one) kept my PC out of action for a full hour and a half and required not 1 but 4 restarts.
Perhaps you could persuade your Bill Gates to have a word with ours?
Screw them all and bring back 3.11.
The Windows Creators update has not yet been installed on my PC.
This is a major update, and is being pushed out to PCs on a rolling schedule. It seems that it is being pushed first to the types of hardware that are most likely to make use of the new tools in the Creators update. And Microsoft hardware apparently also gets priority. So, Microsoft’s own Surface and other tablet and touchscreen computers got the update first.
My computer is a self-built desktop machine (Skylake i5-6600K processor; Z170 motherboard; 16Gb DDR4 RAM). I’m not sure when i should expect the Creators update to be pushed out to me. When it happens, i’ll report back here on how long it takes to install.
But, to be honest, if it takes an hour and a half, it still probably won’t change my overall argument about Windows 10 very much. This is, as i said above, a pretty major update, not just a small patch or a minor adjustment to Internet Explorer or something like that.
This is what grinds my gears: I’m shutting off my computer. The thing says: “Update and shut down” Ok, fine. I click on it and go to bed.
The next day, I wake up and turn on my computer. The damn thing is telling me: “Hold on while we install your updates. The computer may restart several times. This may take a while.”
I don’t have issues with it taking a while, but why the fuck couldn’t they do all this crap last night when I shut the computer down and wen’t to bed?
You know, why not have an “Update, install, THEN shut down” option?
I take your point. Don’t get me wrong, I’m impressed overall with Windows 10. I guess I’m getting a little cranky because having bought the Windows 10 PC I seem to have spent most of my time setting up, updating, installing, updating, installing, updating. Having got these major updates out of the way I’m hoping things will settle down now and it will be background updating from here on in. But we’ll see! 
No, 3.11 was complicated by support for workgroups. Bring back 3.1. 
That’s not how it works, though. Older isn’t necessarily better. But neither is newer and shinier. Every consumer OS Microsoft produced prior to Windows XP had significant issues, and in a haphazard one step back and two steps forward fashion they gradually improved. Except for the shitty ones, every new version was worth getting for the advances it brought. Windows XP was the grand unification of the super stable NT kernel with the most functional UI Windows had ever produced. It could do everything Windows ever could and more, and was the first version of Windows in the consumer line that didn’t regularly crash.
It was so good, in fact, that it was difficult to see what further value-added Microsoft could provide other than incremental improvements, and indeed Microsoft spent years trying to figure it out, then backtracked when many of the features turned out to be far too ambitious. Eventually we got Vista, whose motto should have been “why the fuck do I need this?”. As far as I’m concerned, that applies to every subsequent version of Windows, too. The only reason to migrate beyond XP (or Win 7), IMHO, is for the necessary applications or security support.
Call me a Luddite if you want, or call me a backwards idiot, but the same applies to MS Office which IMHO has just become more and more bloated rather than more functional since somewhere between Office XP and Office 2003, and at a more basic level the same even applies to basic PC technology for users doing ordinary everyday things, as opposed to bleeding-edge gamers. There’s only so much functionality you really need in a business spreadsheet or a tax return program. There really is a point of diminishing returns, until such time as entire new paradigms are invented for how people usefully use computers, which will undoubtedly occur. It hasn’t yet, and Microsoft hasn’t been on the frontiers of any of it.
There’s a very good reason that there are large organizations with mission-critical applications on thousands of desktops that are still running Windows 2000, and paying millions for custom Microsoft support.
Some parts of the update can only be done after the system has rebooted with the updated system files.
Next time choose the “Update and restart” option. The computer will update, reboot, and complete the update. And then go into sleep mode after a while (assuming you’ve configured it to do so - and why wouldn’t you?).
I know it’s been six months, but i’m bumping this thread to keep my promise to report on my Creators Update experience.
The update (1709) wasn’t pushed to my computer until a few weeks ago. I got my first notification on about December 18. At that time, i was in the middle of my end-of-semester grading, and i couldn’t afford to have any computer problems, so i “snoozed” the update. Then i went out of town for a couple of weeks over Christmas and New Year. I got back a couple of days ago.
This evening, after making sure that all my documents and other files were backed up, and that i had a Windows 10 image backup that i could restore in case of a problem, i allowed the computer to update.
I hit the “update” button at 11.18 p.m., and the update was complete, with my desktop visible and ready to go, exactly 30 minutes later. Not a single hiccup. From the beginning of the update process to the end, i didn’t have to touch the computer. It restarted itself a few times during the process, but never required any input from me.
The only bothersome aspect of the whole process was that the update apparently removed my “pinned” programs from the Start menu, so i had to go back in and add about a dozen program icons to Start. That took all of two minutes.
Pretty painless, although i understand that there have been a significant number of people who have not had such a trouble-free update process.
scr4, I won’t let my pc go to sleep, or hibernate due to the fact that either way, all I get is a dead pc that I have to force a shutdown and reboot. I have reconfigured and tweaked, sleep mode and hibernate mode do not work on this pc for any reason.
I think we can all guess the reason.
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I think there’s some confusion of terminology here. The download of a new Windows version happens in the background, as does some of the work to install.(You can watch this progress if you open the Settings app and go to “Updates”.) But at some point your machine has to reboot before it can complete the the update, plus there’s some stuff it won’t do until you log back in. I presume that’s the part you’re saying takes too long. How long that part takes will inevitably depend on what hardware you’re running it on – disk speed, processor, etc. – but it wouldn’t depend on whether you have fast WiFi.
And this is a massive PITA which comes from the arrogance of Microsoft’s deciding that they know better than their user base about when updates should be installed. Or even if they should be installed.
I have a laptop that I use as a kiosk machine to drive the announcements on our overhead at the school. Almost every day, I come in to find a message of some type where Windows has tried to install and failed, or wants to install or some other shit. I don’t want that machine upgraded. It’s fine just the way it is.
I’ve set it as a metered connection and disabled the update service. It still won’t stop. Bite me, Bill Gates.
And the really good news is that the next update will fix the problem with the last one. Progress.
That is what they WANT you to think!
I think it’ll be around the 30th of February.
Ubuntu will reboot, install the update, then power the system off. Frankly, if an open-source operating system maintained by volunteers can get this right there’s no excuse for Microsoft not offering the functionality.
The last update I got resulted in it being unable to boot up. I had to take it to a shop and pay for a fix.
AMD processor, around the Athlon/Athlon64 era? It’s a known problem. Microsoft didn’t even think to disable the Meltdown fix on AMD, and didn’t test on older AMD hardware. This is something they’ve had over 6 months to iron out, and they still fucked it up.
Microsoft seemingly has no impetus to make updating better. So I will simply suggest what I do: I follow Woody on Windows, and his blog “Ask Woody” It will tell you when it’s safe to update (or what to look out for). Just keep delaying those updates until then.
Right now, there is no pressing need to patch–yes, even for Meltdown. Let the “unpaid beta testers” handle stuff for you.