OK, bought a new laptop last week with Windows 10. Most of it I like, but the update, download/install processes are still the same fucking nightmares they always were.
Why the fuck does MS take so bloody long to download something and so long to fucking install it? I have superfast WiFi, I’m assuming Microsoft has even faster. 90 minutes to download and install shit like the Windows 10 Creators upgrade? That is unacceptable. Why does everything take so fucking long?
Still, I guess I’m lucky it worked, I’ve seen some nightmare stories on the net of people going through the whole process only to see ‘Update fail’.
Dealing with the same thing. After the update my display driver was no longer detected. After I got that straightened out my mouse or something isn’t right. It has less control. It’s not like when your graphics are lagging, it flies all over the place like it’s ten times more sensitive. I thought maybe mouse driver? No? Change the sensitivity? Didn’t change the issue. Both my daughters’ PCs updated with no issues at all but yeah they griped about the time it took. I had mine to update in the middle of the night so I don’t know how long it took for mine.
Each of these major upgrades is effectively a whole new installation of Windows. As in, it’s a 4 GB file, like the DVDs you would use to install older versions of Windows. You’re actually going through the entire upgrade process like you would from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and thus it’s slower than fresh install.
I do not know why they decided to do things this way. I had assumed it was a rush thing at first, and that this would be fixed. But, no, they keep on doing it this way, taking computers down for hours, and throwing in all the potential problems that happen in every update that you have to mitigate.
And that’s without the problems with ordinary updates, where they’ve stopped trying to minimize the necessity of restarting the system. Windows still works on a model where, if something is in use, then it requires a restart. It can’t wait for the service to not be in use, and then update it. It can’t tell the service that it needs to shut down, and prompt the user for what programs might need to be closed temporarily. No, it just always schedules the file to be copied on the next restart, and then bugs you to restart.
Microsoft moved to an update model they can’t actually handle well, and the only reason why I think anyone puts up with it is that Microsoft is basically the only game in town, unless you buy a Mac. Sure, there’s Linux, but then there’s choice paralysis and less compatibility with the rest of the world, since even different Linuxes can be incompatible with each other.
I mean, Microsoft started putting ads in their OS. That’s how sure they are that they can hold on to people. Sure, you can turn them off if you go through a bunch of settings–for now.
Yeah, but if Windows used the Mac model, they’d have to deal with curmudgeons like me. I’m still on “OS some-low-integer-point-oh” and haven’t updated in years because everything’s still working fine.
Yeah, yeah, security features, russian hackers, I know I should update… but I got work to do WITH the computer, no time to work ON the computer.
Yeah, you’re wrong. As AngelSoft noted, you conveniently omitted Win8 from your stupid post.
Windows 10 is actually, for the most part, an excellent operating system. It has most of the solid features that made Win 7 so good, with some good new stuff, and without some of the annoyances that made 8 a pain in the ass. You can turn off basically all of the so-called spyware. About the only thing i don’t like about it is the fact that there is basically no way to avoid updates.
As for the OP’s problem, i can’t say i ever even noticed how long updates take to download or install, because it all goes on in the background. The only time i notice updates at all is when the OS occasionally notifies me that it will restart sometime outside of my regular usage hours in order to finish the installation process. I really liked Win 7, and i thought about sticking with it when i built my new computer a couple of years back, but i went with Win 10, and it has, for the most part, been the most hassle-free operating system i’ve ever had on a computer. It just works.
I’ll add to this, that 10 is also the most stable system I’ve seen–even better than 7, which was pretty good. Pretty soon we’re going to be at a point where all the youngsters have no idea what “BSOD” means.
As far as updates go, it’s a simple matter to delay installation for a few days–let other people be Redmond’s unpaid bug testers.
As for the OP’s problem, i can’t say i ever even noticed how long updates take to download or install, because it all goes on in the background. QUOTE]
You clearly haven’t upgraded to the latest Windows 10 with the Creators stuff. The download and install take 90 minutes, not in the background but denying all access to the laptop until it finishes, also with the usual shit of watching the timer sit on a particular percentage for ages with no indication that everything is still OK.
I have no problems at all with stuff that goes on in the background. Many Microsoft installs do not.
As much as I know that 10 is a better system than many in the past, my own experience with it has been shit tbh. I’ve never had such fear doing updates with my computer with any other version. I’ve had updates from 10 kill my computer more often than not. Same goes for other people in the family. I know it’s anecdotal but still, I got to the point where I just turned off automatic updates on the damn thing.
I always feel very sorry for Windows users, but that’s generally: in this case Microsoft has no choice.
It’s been mentioned on this board: other OSs hold a copy of the file being worked on by the process, so the user can continue using it — this means a simple inessential upgrade doesn’t need a restart — whilst MS works on the direct file. This MS way also entails long delays for checking each file.
They can’t realistically change this model without remaking Windows into another new OS. Which would be a stupendously daunting task, and very expensive. Which costs they would have to pass on to their consumers.
Certainly, I can’t imagine paying for an operating system, but it seems likely even Windows users would make an ineffectual fuss.
Windows 10 might be the most stable version evah, but holy shit is that interface a clusterfuck of awful. It’s reminiscent of the painful, dual OS transition that Apple went through 15 years ago from 9 to X. There was no need to subject laptop/desktop users to the tablet GUI. Just works? Just sucks.
I think it’s really a mix of reasons. A big part of the problem is that Microsoft has always had a business model which is designed to maximize profits, and almost completely ignore customers, except as consumers. Basically, Microsoft will make their software do most of what customers want to do, but they will never cater to any customer desires for how it’s to be done. And as someone else said, software companies who make money from the software, have to write their own code, line by line, in order to make sure they have full indisputable ownership.
But Microsoft still shows the deep imprint of Gates’ egotism, too. If they had their way, no one would even be allowed to HAVE a copy of any Microsoft software, either on a hard media, or in their computer. Instead, we’d have to log into a Microsoft site every time we turned the thing on, and download the bits that we needed to use at that moment.
Fine. It’s 8 that was sucky and 8.1 that was decent. He also left out how Win95 and Win98’s first editions weren’t very good, either.
It’s not as if he’s saying anything controversial here. This is the common tech wisdom. Every other version of Windows sucks. It’s like the Star Trek odd numbered movies thing.
Something’s missing here…Oh! I see! There is no pompous, long-winded moralizing. One so seldom sees a post from you without such that it was rather startling.
Bullshit. I literally just described what they could do. The problem is that they assume that if the file is in use, you must restart the computer to make it not in use. Most of the time, they could just restart whatever is using the file in place. If it’s a service, you lose nothing. If it’s an actual application, all you need is the ability to save and reload the save after restart.
I’ve noticed this design flaw when just upgrading an application. If the application happens to still be running when Windows tries to update it, it will prompt you saying you have to restart your computer. You have to specifically program your installer to do detect it and shut it down first if you want anything else.
They do not need to redesign the OS. They just need to realize that most of the OS is in pieces, and you can toggle parts of it without problems.
The most I would ask them to do is redesign the file drivers so that they work like Linux, where you can modify a file while it is in use. The old version will continue to exist until it is no longer in use. Doing that is not required, but would make what I describe above easier.
Also, stability is not a measure of how good an OS is. It used to be, when OSes were highly unstable. But we’re past that point. OSes are generally stable now.
The issues I have with Windows 10 that make it inferior to Windows 7 are all about Microsoft taking control away. It is about these massive updates, and those being forced upon you. It’s about the ads. It’s about not dealing well with slower hard drives. The OS could be the most stable thing in the world, but if you have to restart it all the time, that’s completely pointless.
We have 20 years’ worth of incidents to show us what happens when end-users have full control: they don’t patch known vulnerabilities.
Virtually every major malware infestation has been the result of lazy idiots who think that it’s a waste of time to update their computers. For all the hand-wringing about zero-day vulnerabilities, it’s the known ones that have patches available that cause 95% of the havoc.