When Was the Last Time You Practiced Your Home Evacuation Plan?

In a recently closed Pit thread, this situation was brought up where a desperate parent, realizing that two of her children hadn’t escaped from a carriage house fire, went in, in a desperate attempt to save them. And all three perished.

A number of issues seem to me to be relevant to this event. First on my mind is going to be fire safety. Another issue is what some people have called The Cult of the Child. For my own ease I’m going to break this into two related discussions, rather than one horribly bogged down mess.

I’d already spoken in the closed thread about how many people never consider taking the time, during a catastrophe, to step back mentally and ask the vital question: How can I help without compounding the problem?

It’s not something people like to think about.

IMNSHO, a good fire safety plan should have several legs. [ul][li]First leg: smoke detectors. Do you have working smoke detectors, and do you check them? []Second leg: Evacuation plan. Do you have an evactuation plan, with two exits from each bedroom? Have you ever practiced it? []Third leg: fire extinguishers. Do you have any, are they properly maintained, and do you know how to use them? [*]Fourth, and final, leg. Optional. First Aid/lifesaving/CPR. Do you know how to keep someone alive until help arrives? [/ul][/li]
Considering the story in the linked article, I have to admit I suspect that the family failed the two younger girls on both the first and second legs. The way I’m reading it, I’d consider the structure called a carriage house to be similar to a detached garage. Because there is often no intent for people to live in such a structure, I suspect that building and fire codes do not require such structures to be wired for smoke alarms. And, because the carriage house was not a residential building, there was also probably no evacuation plan.

So, on a planning level, I think there were some failures. I’m not saying they aren’t completely understandable. I’m not trying to say that the family should have expected something like this. However it came to happen, I suspect that the family made assumptions about the safety of the structure, since it was a permanent and recently refurbished one. To wit, it was as safe as the house, and there fore no further precautions needed to be taken. Let alone considering extra precautions because the building was less safe than the house. Obviously, I’ve got no evidence for this, other than the article says that the family woke up smelling smoke, and that there seems to have been no report of a smoke alarm going off in the carriage house. I think it’s a reasonable guess, but it is only a guess.

The most tragic moment, of course, was when the parents awoke to the catastrophe in progress: fire and smoke engulfing the carriage house, and no sign of their girls. I want to repeat, it is completely, utterly understandable how a parent would run into a structure without pausing even a moment to consider the risks. Or, as much as it pains me to say this, the likelihood that by that point the two girls were already dead from smoke inhalation. If I had been a witness that night, I’d have rushed in myself. I’m terrible about judging safety for rescuers, which is one reason I’m both sympathetic towards the impulse and frustrated when people keep falling to it. I’d like to think I’d have paused to grab a fire extinguisher, myself - but, then, I’ve had some fire/rescue training.

Now we come to the point that had the previous thread derailed: The OP made the claim that the mother in this case had sacrificed her life, and abandoned her duty, on the altar of doing everything for her children. Or to use the expression that he and a few others have mentioned: The Cult of the Child. I think I’ve made clear that I don’t think that the woman involved in this did anything unusual, nor blameworthy. There are clear points, which I think I’ve shown, where better decisions could have been made. But the chain of reasoning behind the poor decisions is one that I know I could have fallen into, and which many other people could have fallen into.

But, at what point can one balance a parent’s obligations to one child, or to a spouse, against the more immediate, bur forlorn, needs of another child? For all I disagreed with the vitriol of the OP in the closed thread, I have to admit I think that he had one thing right: The rational choice for the mother should have been to stay out of the burning structure, and try to support her surviving family through the aftermath of this catastrophe.

I can’t say for certain which issues Zoe wanted to see discussed from that thread, but these are the two that I find worth salvaging from that wreck:

Have you established your fire safety plan for your house? If you have, when was the last time you practiced it? Similarly, have you ever practiced with any kind of firefighting, or using a fire extinguisher?

I hope that by bringing these questions to mind can have the benefit that some people will establish such plans for themselves. And more, should they ever end up in an emergency situation, that they’ll be a little more likely to pause and consider, “Can I do something here without becoming just another part of the problem?”

On a meta-scale, perhaps we can also discuss a little where do you draw the lines between risks and sacrifices that a parent should be expected to meet, and those where other duties may prevent a parent from taking such, no matter how much the obvious pull may be to do anything for one’s child.

You bring up some good points.

  • I have the Fire and CO detectors.
  • I have never gone over escape from the house. This should include using windows, especially as we live in a ranch. The use of the back of the hand to test for heat on a closed door should also be taught.
  • We have only one small Kitchen Fire Extinguisher and I am the only one in the house that has had training.
  • I am the only one with First Aid/lifesaving/CPR training.

As to the Mom in the other Op, she did what most would end up doing. I would like to think I have had enough training not to just barrel back in without thought, but I would probably charge in and try to save my kids/wife without thinking.

Jim

We are supposed to practice evacuating to the the Assemble Area annually. I cannot recall the last time I did it.

As mentioned before, if attacked I will hide in the bathtub until the helicopters arrive.

When I was a child I came home one day with explicit instructions from school about How We Needed a Home Evacuation Plan. So we came up with one, although we never needed it. (It was also when I was a kid that I came home all indoctrinated on how you need to get your parents to wear their seatbelts, which has saved my dad’s life more than once. Thank the meddling school system.)

I don’t have kids now, it’s just me and Himself, but we do need an evacuation plan. The house is old and would go up in a heartbeat.

ETA - we do have fire and CO detectors, and two fire extinguishers. As an adult I pestered my mom into getting a CO detector, which did quite literally save their lives a few months ago. Anybody you’d like me to pester into doing something for their own good? Reasonable rates.

I have an evacuation plan, but it involves taking my 90lb. dog, getting her up on the bedroom dresser or the office desk, and tossing her out a window and then me going next. I suspect one or both of us will break a bone and that’s something I’m willing to deal with if it comes down to it, but I’m not inclined to practice the maneuver.

My house is a “raised ranch” and the windows are up against the ceiling instead of in the middle of the walls, so it’s a decent drop but less than a “story” so I don’t think I need a rope ladder. Can’t get a dog down a ladder anyway.

That’s the plan for if we’re stuck in the bedroom or the office. The rest of the house has easy outdoor access. I don’t know what we’d do if we were stuck in the basement - neither of us could fit through the windows - but we rarely go down there anyway.

Thanks for the reminder on the fire extinguisher, BTW. I keep meaning to pick one or two up.

I have two smoke detectors. I also have a CO detector.

I have emergency lighting and can be out the door in 10 seconds or less. Going out the window is a trifle more involved.

Yes, I have fire extinguishers. They’re the home type - any serious fire and I exit PDQ.

My first aid skills are minimal, but I do have a first aid kit. The hospital is less than 10 minutes away. Much less if I floor it.

Yes to all, the hubby is a firefighter.

Feeling the back of the door is not a good indication. Feel the metal handle instead (quickly).

If you are going to open a door, and it opens towards you, brace your foot against it and keep your body behind the door. Take a quick peek to see if the coast is clear. If the door opens away from you, stand behind the wall and reach your hand over to open the door (like cops do in movies, so they stay out of the line of fire). This is in case of a backdraft or flashover.

If you can’t get out of the room, stuff blankets into the crack at the bottom of the door, go to the window and open it. Stay by the window. The fire department is often there in minutes.

Teach your kids NOT TO HIDE. FF’s are trained to look under beds and in closets for kids, but it always sucks to find one in the drawer of their captain’s bed or in their toy truck after the fire is over.

Most house floors are rated for a few minutes of direct fire only. If you know a fire is below your room, stay to the edges and move to a window and wait for the fire department.

My pleasure. Here’s a quickie note from Underwriter’s Laboratory about how to use fire extinguishers, and what the purpose of a household fire extinguisher should be.

Depending on your budget, I’d suggest getting a CO[sub]2[/sub] extinguisher for your kitchen extinguisher: You can use them without fear of a messy clean up, or damage to surrounding equipment beyond what the fire caused, and they are easily and relatively cheaply reloaded. For bedroom, garage or workroom extinguishers, where the extinguisher is far more likely, IMNSHO, to be required to open an escape path, a dry powder ABC type is probably your best bet. (i.e., I only give a crap about ease of clean up if I think the fire is still small enough for me to control with an extinguisher. Once it’s beyond that size, assume that the building and everything in it is going to be a write-off - so worrying about the problems of cleaning up the extinguishing agent from what you used to get out fo the inferno really isn’t going to be a large concern.)

Do understand that my advice is a bit contrarian. It’s not what you’d get from most people selling fire safety equipment to the public. CO[sub]2[/sub] has a lot of advantages, but compared to dry powder models of similar extinguishing capability, they’re heavier, from five to ten times the cost, and a bit more difficult to use. If you just want a point and shoot type extinguisher, go with the ABC dry powder, instead. For myself, a CO[sub]2[/sub] is one I won’t hesitate to use on a small fire, while I will hesitate to use an ABC extinguisher on a small fire, simply because of the hassle of clean up. But this is predicated on your faith in your ability to accurately discern the difference between a small fire and a large one.
After you get your extinguishers, give a call to your local FD. They may well offer courses on how to use fire extinguishers, or a chance to use one of theirs on a live fire, which will make you more comfortable and certain if you should ever have to use one yourself for real.