I mean, c’mon. Mark Foley, Larry Craig, that state senator… isn’t it about time? Fair is fair.
Haven’t heard from Katerine Harris lately…
Is this about Condie Rice?
I’ve never heard of such a thing as a closeted, gay-bashing lesbian. I think men are typically more into gay-bashing than women. I have no reason to think that, i just do.
You know, I think you’re right.
I might be out on a limb a bit here, but it seems also that male closeted prominent figures seem to have a bit of a tendency to do things that can be repeated as juicy gossip - it’s not so much “politician admits to committed 15 year monogamous same-sex relationship” as “politician denies being caught in sex/drug orgy with two gay strippers and an underage ladyboy”.
Women just don’t seem to aspire to that sort of spectacular misadventure, or maybe they do, but are just better at keeping it secret.
Not if you take stock in the same rumors that I do.
For one thing, there are fewer female politicians than male. Assuming that lesbians and gay males are roughly in the same proportions to the general population, then there are going to be many fewer lesbian politicians to out. There also would be dramatically less negative stigma attached to a lesbian politician coming out so there would be less interest if it happened. We all went “Ewwww, gross” when Senator Craig tried to get some action in the men’s room. But if a woman did the same thing we’d be going “hey, that’s kinda hot.”
The female preferred profession for sexual misadventures these days seems to be middle or high school teacher, not politician. We can only hope to elect more of these women to office.
Also it seems like it’s a lot easier to keep being a lesbian on the downlow, or at least I don’t associate lesbians with a lot of the behaviors that have been getting closeted gay politicians involuntarily outed. I’ve never heard of a lesbian prostitute, for example, or a bathroom that lesbians cruise for sex in.
Of course, it occurs to me I don’t know that many lesbians, so maybe I’m just out of the loop.
Even so, the whole schoolby/teacher romance thing is so overdone it’s hardly even surprising any more - it’s certainly not in the same league as the sorts of lurid sexual impropriety that the blokes seem to get up to.
You’re kidding, right? We just had a school teacher run away to Mexico with her thirteen year old former student. There’s a current local story about a teacher here who was sleeping with her 15 year old student (he’s now 16). She was his teacher in special education. He’s educably retarded.
I find that more mind boggling than some airport bathroom sex between two consenting adults.
Not that I really want people having sex in my airport bathrooms. Unless it’s me. And then it should be me with that really hot flight attendant that was giving me the eye. Not some skanky politician. That’s just not right.
This is so true and I’ve never understood why. The male gay bashers are often the ones who love a lesbian sex story. For me, I’m pretty indifferent.
That, combined with the male need to suppress insecurity through machismo, I would expect a lot more male public figures to be “caught” than female ones. Women who want to be public figures, especially political ones, would probably be out and proud. The combination of aggression with repressed sexuality is something on which men have cornered the market.
Oh. I didn’t know about that one. Still, that’s one rather strange one for the ladies, versus how many very weird ones for the blokes, not that I’m trying to cheer on our team or anything.
No, it’s not. Whatever the rumors of her own sexuality, I’ve never heard of her described as gay-bashing.
The funny thing about quote boxes is everyone knows it is a direct quote, so inserting “[sic]” is sort’ve redundent. (when you quote this, if you do, there is no need to insert “[sic]” where I misspelled redundant. The quote box makes it clear that I spelled it that way and there is no doubt about whether it was a transcription error on your part.) One might argue that inserting “[sic]” in quote boxed text could be considered jerkish. Not only that, but it reduces claity because it makes it unclear whether you inserted it or it was in the quoted text.
As to Condie, one could argue that serving in a high position in an openly anti gay organization while closeted, is at least tolerating gay-bashing. Not that I have any reason to believe Condie is gay. But you’re the OP so if you say it’s not, then it’s not.
ShibbOleth writes:
> You’re kidding, right? We just had a school teacher run away to Mexico with her
> thirteen year old former student. There’s a current local story about a teacher
> here who was sleeping with her 15 year old student (he’s now 16). She was his
> teacher in special education. He’s educably retarded.
It’s not clear that there is any difference in the rate of teachers having sex with students now than it was in the past. What’s happening (in the U.S. anyway) is national news programs searching through local news sources for any cases of teacher/student sex they can find and making them into national news stories. Before ten or fifteen years ago, these incidents would never have been anything but local stories. It’s not even clear that they would have been prosecuted.
In my high school, which was about the blandest, most white-bread place on Earth, in 1969-1970 there was a female teacher who apparently slept with a male student. She was fired, but she wasn’t prosecuted. I suspect that that’s more typical of what happened those days than today’s habit of making a big deal about it. Back then, less than forty years ago, as hard as it is to believe, people didn’t get as publicly upset about adult/child sex as they do now. It often got hushed up.
Are there any statistics on teacher/student sex today and a few decades ago?
See this thread for more on how teacher/student sex is much more taboo than it used to be:
I think you mean a prostitute for lesbains. Plenty of prostitutes are lesbians, though they’re pretty good at faking it. Thai masseuses are just as eager to service female tourists, and women-for-women escort agencies do exist.
Men do seem to have a monopoly on bashing gay people (literally or figuratively) while being closeted. One theory is that they have more to ‘lose’ by coming out, whereas lesbians either have no default power to cede, or else they actually gain something by acting more masculine (assuming they’re butch, which I guess is a pretty big assumption).
Heck, most of these are local and not national stories. Florida just seems to attract the social misfits. My school had a scandal in the late 70s where a couple of girls “ran away” and stayed with a couple of the teachers, who let them drink and get high at their place. Drinking age was 18 back then, and smoking weed was probably at least as prevalent as today, if possibly prosecuted a bit more harshly. I don’t recall for sure if one of the girls wasn’t sleeping with one of the teachers involved, but they all got busted.
My school opened in 1977, so most of the teachers were young-ish, newly minted teachers. The guys involved were probably in their early 20s, and hooked up with girls who were 17. They were prosecuted.
Most of the time back then, when you did hear about it, it was male teacher (usually a coach, as most male teachers seemed to be at the time0. I heard about a similar scandal at my Georgia high school, just after I left, although I don’t know what the repercussions were (a girl from my neighborhood, who we considered sort of rich and sort of odd, although not wholly unattactive), was caught out smooching with one of the coaches under the bleachers during a football game. She was 15 and he was probably in his late 30s early 40s and not at all an attractive man.
I never heard of a female teacher messing around with a male student. Maybe we were just better at keeping things quiet, maybe female teachers were more judicious. If it did happen, it never made the news. And usually, when something was happening there were a lot of rumors about it. Heck, the photo teacher lived 3 houses down from me, and one of his students moved in with him as soon as she turned 18 and graduated. There were hints of that one before it happened. He had a 13 year old daughter from a previous marriage, so that was pretty skeevy.
one might argue that when you see this, you think OHMEGAWD I SPELT IT TOETLY RONG! NEED IMPROVE I MUST!
Point being, doesn’t [sic] have quite a besserwisser quality to begin with? Like, it’s not so much it’s-not-my-fault-this-is-spelled-wrong as it is it’s-that-lame-losers-fault-this-is-spelled-wrong?
I’m not saying it doesn’t have it’s uses, but as long as (ETA: some) people seem to use it to point at errors rather than stress that they are quoting directly, use of [sic] in quote boxes hardly qualifies as redundant.
five cents. back to fun topic.
I think the sic debate is more fun than the on-topic one.