Maybe the fact that it is illegal and dangerous?
Then why are you defending it ?!?!?!?!?!
I don’t see much context in Robert163’s posts beyond “Islam is bad and Muslims are only good when they’re in the minority”.
I don’t really even know what this means.
Huh?
I will try.
It’s possible, though from my memory he reverses himself almost sentence-to-sentence in a few cases – something like “We’re not saying all Muslims are evil” then Affleck says “no, you’re just saying they want to kill us and oppress women” then Maher says “well yes, they are!”, or something like that.
You were comparing it to communism, which is a political ideology. I don’t think such a political ideology can be compared to a religious ideology. Communism can be compared to democracy, or capitalism, but not a religion, in my opinion.
I think this is a very interesting discussion to have. I’m very interested in the religious ideology (and political ideology) of those who want to kill us. It’s just a different ideology from many other Muslims. There is no single Muslim ideology, any more than there is a single Christian ideology.
I’m not. It definitely sucks. It’s just not special in any way, in my view. Just another religious text, just another holy book.
Still not going to answer what country you’d rather live in if you were a atheist homosexual female, are you???
I disagree. Bigotry against choices people make, that is, a severe and intractable dislike for things people choose, is fine. Because that bigotry is a choice, and can be changed.
Actions based on that bigotry may or may not be acceptable, but the bigotry is a human condition that you aren’t going to eradicate.
Bigotry against things that people have no control over and no choice in is, IMO, wrong. But disliking the things that people choose to do or say or believe in? That’s fair game to me.
In fact, you didn’t disagree with my statement at all (see above).
Again, my answer is Turkey. For the Doner. It’s really tasty. You should try it.
What do you mean by “fair game”? It’s certainly fair game, in the sense that I don’t think we should legislate against bigoted beliefs, or against bigoted actions in one’s personal life.
But it seems we disagree here on what’s morally wrong (which is absolutely fine!). To me, bigotry against a choice like a religion is just as “bad” as bigotry against a choice like interracial relationships, or against something that’s not a choice like sexual orientation.
I think this is the point. If it is 1957 and I am a Black Man driving across Alabama late at night, I’m not all that concerned with the nice White People living there, I am concerned about all of the rest. Same in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. Are the good people who live in those two countries? There most certainly are, lots and lots and lots of them. But it the overall mentality of the region - as a whole - that concerns me, not the good people who live there that don’t match the stereotype.
Which is a smart ass response, which only proves that I am right. Why would you act in such a manner?
Again, the precise method of murder isn’t meaningful.
As of last year, women in Kenya are still fighting for their rights to own and inherit property. Tanzania is the same. The third world isn’t kind to women, be they Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Sikh, animist…
Unsurprising to learn that you haven’t even researched this.
Turkey completely undermines your case. You said that there’s only one form of Islam, and that “bad things” happen in Muslim countries. Turkey is majority Muslim, and is largely free of the “bad things” you’ve pointed to. So either there are multiple forms of Islam, or religion doesn’t actually have much to do with it.
I bet you it is to the people being stoned to death
And are they permitted from getting an education, having a job, driving a car, dressing as they wish?
lol, No!
Turkey is on the list of places I would not want to live if I were Female, Homosexual, or Atheist. I never said it was as bad as Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.
“Smart ass response” is not logically followed by “you are correct”.
Because I think your question is irrelevant to the point I’m making, and only serves as a distraction.
I know plenty of Muslims who are perfectly peaceful and think Maher is full of shit. I don’t know a single Muslim who calls for violence. Not a single f’in one. I can’t say the same about Christians or Jews. I know plenty of both who endorse violence against Islam. Now, my sample is skewed. I also know plenty of Christians and Jews who are against religious violence. History is replete with people who insincerely, and sincerely, use religion to justify their evil actions. And if those people were atheists or of another religion, they would adopt another justification, be it another religion or another reason. Religion is not the cause of all evil in the world, but rather a cultural bystander invoked by the power hungry without any say so.
The Middle East (from our point of view) isn’t a violent and dangerous place due to religion, but rather due to the extreme desperation of the populations combined with they psychopathic outliers of humanity who seize well on that sort of thing. Every culture has its outcasts and its fringe nuts who want a following of sycophants.
Meaning what, if they were to be hanged or stabbed, they’d be fine with it?
Let’s ask UNESCO:
Serious question: what proportion of majority-Muslim countries do you think prohibit women from going to school and driving cars?
That list would be pretty short; as I’m sure you know, tolerant, secular democracies are the exception, not the rule. Again, the connection between this and Islam remains totally unsubstantiated by you. Bear in mind that there are tolerant, secular democracies which are highly religious (the U.S.) and others which are highly irreligious (France).
It’s not relevant to you because it doesn’t fit your agenda. No Bigotry!!! How is it bigoted to point out that if you were a homosexual, female, atheist that you wouldn’t want to live in any of those countries on that list???
It’s not bigoted, it’s irrelevant. Other things you have said I believe are bigoted, but not this one. This one is just irrelevant.
we are wasting our time. for every objection or criticism i make about a Muslim majority country you are just going to go find some statistic from some other country or take some similar tactic. do you understand that changing the subject is not the same thing as adequately defending the quality of life in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Yemen or Afghanistan?
Quality of life in those countries mostly sucks, especially for women. It’s not because of Islam or the Koran. It is at least partially because of the specific form of Islam enforced in those countries, and the specific interpretations of the Koran by the majority in those countries.