[QUOTE=jayjay]
He does have HALF a point…the original thread is posted in MPSIMS, not GD. It probably should have gone into GD, at least. But yeah, I’m hearing Diogenes as basically saying “It’s unfair that she hasn’t actually come with paddle in hand to the Pit so that we can all personally punish her for doing things differently than we would…”
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She started it. not us. If she wants to post inflammatory shit, it’s gutless for her to run away from being challenged on it.
Post 370
[QUOTE=xcheopis]
. . . . Further communication is pointless and the person leaves, only to be decried as being cowardly, a troll, a liar, blah blah blah.
If they don’t bother “defending” themselves in the first place, then they are cowardly, a troll, a liar, blah blah blah.
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Post 371
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I think it’s a primarily trolling thread, not an “informative” one.
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Great, now your giving Diogenes ideas.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
It’s kind of like starting an “ask the racist” thread. It sets the OP up in a position where they can push all the buttons they want without getting challenged. The least she could do is actually adress the pit thread. To make potentially inflammatory or controversial statements in MPSIMS under the guise of an “ask the…” thread where no one can respond with any force is trolling.
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Oh, I see. Well, in fairness were I in her place I would also be too chicken to try to defend myself in the Pit. A quick gander at post count/membership suggests something more like chicken than trolling. (Better a live chicken than a dead eagle they say 
).
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
She started it. not us. If she wants to post inflammatory shit, it’s gutless for her to run away from being challenged on it.
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Funny…it’s only inflammatory to some of us.
[QUOTE=jayjay]
Funny…it’s only inflammatory to some of us.
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If it’s inflammatory to some of us, then it’s inflammatory.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
It’s not the same as a GLBT situation because those are not choices and they’re not even primarily sexual.
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Whether or not it’s a choice is irrelevant. If it was demonstrated that being raised by gay parents was harmful for children, then gay parents would (and should) lose custody of their children, whether being gay was considered a choice or not. In the same way that having a serious mental disease isn’t a choice, but would nevertheless result in losing custody if it was thought to endanger the children.
[QUOTE=Guestimate]
It sounds like the scenario in Gor books ALOT
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Yes.
Yes, it does.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
If it’s inflammatory to some of us, then it’s inflammatory.
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You have posted a lot of backhanded, underhanded, ridiculous things in this thread - but that one takes the cake for dumb.
[QUOTE=A Priori Tea]
You have posted a lot of backhanded, underhanded, ridiculous things in this thread - but that one takes the cake for dumb.
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Why? Is something only inflammatory if everyone in the human race is bothered by it?
Some who starts a thread which essentially says “ask the woman who acts out sexual dom/sub fantasies in front of her children” is pushing fucking buttons. There appears to be a disconnect between some people who are having a knee jerk reaction to perceived oppression of sexual choices and some people who see it as simply shitty parenting. As far as I can tell, the reactions to this whole thing are splitting between people who have kids and people who don’t. In my opinion, anyone who is not a parent should not be mouthing off about what is essentially a parenting issue, not a judgement on sexual choices. Couple who do not have kids can engage in all the consensual kink they want. I don’t give a crap about that in itself.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
Yes.
Yes, it does.
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No, please! Not the Goreans, nooooo!
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
No. Therefore she isn’t improving. She’s just self-medicating by enacting sexual psychodramas in front of her kids.
Is there a single parent in this thread who thinks it’s appropritae for kids to have to witness this garbage?
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I stated it before and i will state it again: People can have all the sexual fantasies enacted they want, but when you are a parent, you shouldn’t act them out in front of your children, nor should children be raised in an environment where the mother is regularly humiliated, punished or whatever. This will lead to them perceiving that it’s OK for them to treat or be treated as men or women in the same fashion.
I’m still not sure if the OP of the thread that started this outrage stated anything that claimed they were acting out their sexual shit in front of the kids though, but to me, maintaining this fantastical relationship even without the sexual overtures in front of them is bad enough.
But ultimately, to each his own, and hey…they aren’t my kids or wife, so what are you going to do? It IS still America, after all, and this IS still a very marginal group of people acting out this behavior.
If they don’t violate any laws, then there’s nothing to complain about.
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde]
I’m glad you asked this question, actually.
Firstly, I very seriously doubt the following things:
You are so wrong. Marital rape was not recognized as a crime in most US states until the late 70s/early 80s.
Up until the 70s a husband could fuck his wife whether she liked it or not, and not be charged with rape, as a matter of law. Prolly she could get a divorce and a large settlement prior to that, but the law made it clear that a husband couldn’t rape his wife … that is, he could fuck her whether she liked it or not, but it wouldn’t be rape.
I believe that’s the way things still are in Japan.
The really ironic thing is that BDSM wasnt’ taken off the DSM books as a mental illness until the 80s, which meant that until that time, if you tied up your wife for some consensual sexual bondage, your best bet was to explain that you were exercising your husbandly right to take her against her will. Admit to the BDSM and you could wind up in the looney bin against your will.
So, you’re kinda wrong, there, Martin. As in, completely.
Hey, I’m back. And I can tell you guys really missed me.
Why should I give a rat’s ass what’s being said over here? shrug I dunno, but a few posters have made me want to post and respond, so here I be.
Re: my kids growing up to be “assholes,” I wasn’t implying that that’s the worst I thought could happen. Actually, somebody posted asking me about one of my kids gowing up and beating their spouse/SO due to the upbringing that Joe and I gave them. Obviously I worry about other things too. To think otherwise is asinine.
I’ve also seen lots of concerns about Joe’s age. It’s funny, really. Lack of years does not always equal lack of responsibilty, or experience, or ability. He’s very mature in the eyes of his peers, coworkers, and family members, and is a boss at work to people two and sometimes three times his age. He’s held a steady job since he was 15, and went to college for Social Work. His age has exactly jack shit to do with who or what he is.
I know I haven’t responded to everything here; it’s difficult to scroll back through 8 pages and try to sift through and answer every accusation.
As for my ex being a crackhead, what in the holy fuck does that have to do with my current “problems?” Is it because he’s not capable of wrenching custody away from me? I’m just not getting the connection there.
A troll, huh? That’s funny, because I’ve mostly stuck to CS threads, and I don’t threadshit or call people out unneccesarily. When I started this topic, I had no idea it’d go down the tubes the way it did. I figured that, like some of our old friends, a few would go “Wow, too weird for me!” and the rest would just ask their questions. The Dope is known for intelligent folks, so I was hoping to have a shock and awe conversation of an intelligent nature.
And someone already covered this, but I’ll reiterate. My username has nothing to do with my sexuality. It’s the same username I’ve always used on the net, and stems from my love of ICP and Twiztid.
[QUOTE=Marienee]
The stepfather did not achieve the legal drinking age until his child could walk. This is a very young person. He is already confirmed as a sadomasochist, the Dom in a D/s relationship, the financial and emotional total support of a family of five, and is expected by the OP to act as a fully functioning parent and authority with respect to her children. This is, I think it is fair to say, asking a great deal both of him and of his stepchildren.
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Hmmm.. This might be an issue, indeed. I had not noticed the stepfather was that young. I sort of assumed they were both maybe 30-40.
I must say, I don’t have kids… I CHOSE not to. But, this does not make my opinions less valid. I don’t have any opinion about the Dom/sub ( I am learning from all this!) lifestyle EXCEPT about living this CONCURRENTLY with raising 3 children.
I am heartened by the fact that quite a few people seem to share my feelings on this and that this thread has not selfdestructed.
Being openminded includes being willing to use your mind.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Really? Can I ask her how how she’s going to feel when her kids start cutting themselves?
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She would need much more information than this to answer. How much negotiation has been done on what size and style of blade to use, and what cutting technique? Do they have a contract stipulating what parts of their body they will and won’t cut? Are they actively involved in a “support network” of cutters who can provide guidance and advice? Are they clear about what goals they’re trying to accomplish when they cut slices into their own thighs with a razor?
You can’t just look at “kids intentionally hurting themselves in an attempt to relieve unresolved mental anguish” and automatically assume it’s something bad or unhealthy. That’s the “outsider’s view,” and one borne of ignorance.
hey Freakalette you are back…I hope that you notice that in no way have I personally attacked you— I mean that seriously. I honestly hope that all of the concerns about your kids makes you think about it more, privately, later…
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I think something that needs to be clearly stated is that those of us who have objections to this lifestyle do not see it as a sexual issue but as a parenting issue. It’s not about judging someone else’s sexual choices. That’s a red herring.
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There are at least two posters (maybe more, I only noticed two) who see it as a major sexual issue.
[QUOTE=clairobscur]
There are at least two posters (maybe more, I only noticed two) who see it as a major sexual issue.
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It’s still a red herring, even for them.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
She started it. not us. If she wants to post inflammatory shit, it’s gutless for her to run away from being challenged on it.
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It’s perfectly possible to challenge someone in MPSIMS. There had been threads there where every single doper who bothered to post castigated the OP in no uncertain terms.