Clearly, you haven’t actually been reading this thread or freekalette’s. Take some time to do so, and then report back to me. I can’t have a debate with someone who’s not informed, after all; it just wouldn’t be fair.
I have read them. I asked several times if there were any parents in these threads who thought this shit was appropriate to expose to the children. One person said she grew up in a patriarchal household. She didn’t say whether her mother had to wear dog collars and kneel like a dog in front of her husband.
You know, I was reading this thread with a sort of bemused detachment (and watching the skies for signs of the apocalypse because Shodan and Diogenes were agreeing with each other) when I came upon this post.
Damn you!
Now I want to know what Pop Rocks feel like if you put them on the skin and get them wet.
That’s just sick.
Regards,
Shodan
Or bigger sticks up your asses…
OK, so what is your basis for the broad statement that this sort of communication and consent is not the norm for religious situations.
Did you READ her later description? It’s more like he starts getting all seductive when she’s falling asleep and tries to GET her in the mood. IF she doesn’t want to, if she says no, he backs off.
You know, at least twice, my grandmother got so pissed off at my grandfather, that she threw a plate at his head. A big, heavy glass plate. (Missed both times). Would you say that my Pappap was an abused spouse?
No, Guin, she didn’t. She said that if she’s been asleep for 3 hours, and he tries to wake her up and she says no, she’s sleeping, he will take her clothes off and have sex with her anyway. She said nothing about “trying to get her in the mood.”
are you saying she never posted that he ‘ignored’ her when she said ‘no’?
I would guess his basis is ignorance and bigotry.
This is one of the most fascinating threads I’ve ever read and reading all the posts I have found my mind stretched in all different directions before settling on my own, ahhh, ‘position’.
I think Freekalette’s kids are going to be fine as long as they are being raised as smart, well-read, independent thinkers. She seems articulate and thoughtful, and while I don’t think her relationship is one ideally modelled in front of children, she says it is toned down in front of them which indicates she understands the dynamic isn’t necessarily for public consumption.
I really hope that she learns other ways to manage her anxiety that aren’t related to being dominated though, as it could leave her (and the kids) open to being in a really dysfunctional place, for example if her partner left her or had an episode of mental illness and took the domination too far. I also wonder whether her need for this behaviour would change if she did get help for the anxiety through more conventional methods, e.g. cognitive behavioural therapy.
I think the most important thing is that the kids know they are loved unconditionally and will be supported by their parents in making their own decisions and thinking for themselves as well as being considerate to others.
Frankly, my main worry is that the children will learn bad manners from their parents’ interactions and will treat others unkindly without realising that it hurts feelings. But if Freekalette is on to it, she’ll have that covered.
My favourite posts (and not for the first time) were from HazelNutCoffee,** Sarahfeena** and Ntzinga, Seated.
Actually, I suspect the answer is sticky, not sick.
Unless you were talking about the you and Diogenes agreeing thing. 
Tabling for the moment whether kinks are acted out in front of the children, I don’t see what difference there is. Gays and gender crossers say they’re born that way, but there’s no hard evidence either way, no matter how often they say there is.
The way I read it is that if she really says, “GO AWAY!” he’ll stop. At least, that was what I got out of it. Maybe I’m wrong?
She wrote that description AFTER I told her it sounded like she was describingh non-consenual sex. Her clarification wasn’t much better. She still said he “ignores” her when she tells him she wants to keep sleeping.
Possibly. You would certainly say a woman was being abused if her husband threw heavy objects at her head.
Whether they’re born that way or not, it’s still not chosen, it’s not primarily sexual and it does not neccesarily involve the domination of one partner by another. Simply being gay is not the same as actually acting out sex games in front of children.
sigh I suppose so. I guess it doesn’t seem as severe as I thought it was. It’s still messed up, though. (Although I stand by what I said about the spiked collar)
Not if it was my pap throwing things at my grandmother. If only because I knew them, I suppose.
Though it fills me with regret to leave various challenges and insults unanswered in this thread, it has come to my attention recently that my, well, hostility toward less tolerant viewpoints is endangering the LGBT rights movement and related battles for acceptance of various types of gender expression and sexuality on this here Board. As a result, I am imposing a ban upon my own presence in all non-normative-sexuality- and alternate-gender-expression-themed threads for an indeterminate period of time while I contemplate how to avoid harming the movement with my impassioned and sarcastic defense.
For the purposes of this thread, that means I’m unsubscribing from it, probably for good. Stay safe in here.
Dio, this may be an age-gap issue. I dunno about you, but to me a spiked dog collar is a perfectly legitimate clothing accessory. Of course, I was a plaid-pants sort of punk, rather than a leather sort, but hell, it just means that the wearer is feeling a little rocking to me. It’s way less outre than, say, ear hole plug things, or those chains that go from the nose to the ear. (Those bother me. I’m used to potential violence while rocking out. They’re like an invitation to torn flesh.)
Also, pop rocks on skin, meh. Pop rocks in chocolate bars? That’s the stuff!
Gaged ears. Hell, my supervisor has his ears gaged. Along with facial piercings. And he’s in a death metal band.
I haven’t seen those in years. And that was in a hair metal video.
Other than that, you’ve got a point-Dio, I see spiked collars god knows how many times a day. Maybe she bought a dog collar because it was cheaper?