Oh, come on, how fair is that? I’m not saying that freekalette is or isn’t a good parent, but most kids act out at some point in their life, even if their parents aren’t into BDSM.
I see them sometimes on indian (India) women. The nose-ear chains. They look good, but they still make me cringe. And thank you, lost the term. Gaged, yep.
I think it’s fair to ask/hope that IF that happens, Freekalette considers that living as master/slave concurrent with mother/father COULD be part of the reason.
What is with some of you?..this is a pretty simple call.
In the other thread, she says that she’s 27, and he’s 23. Which, of course, means that her eldest child was born when she was 16.
I’m a pretty big Cure fan, actually. Your choice to dress like a 15 year old goth is more Hope is Emo than anything else to me. I just think it’s wicked strange that you choose to deal with severe anxiety and depression by being told what to do 24/7 and HELL YES I agree with everyone who thinks you’re modelling poor behaviour for your children. There are aspects of my parents’ relationship I don’t want to perpetuate, and elements that I do respect greatly, including my mother being able to stand up for herself and act like an independent human being (including disagreeing with my father without being forced to wear garish goth clothes). If my mother were a simpering wimp she could have told me that in some relationships women have a more equitable role till I was blue in the face-I’d still come home to have to watch crazyass drama between my parents every night though, wouldn’t I?
Also OMFG kneeling on the floor? Do you do that in front of your kids too? If I had to watch my parents re-enact Kushiel’s trilogy every night I sure as hell wouldn’t be hosting sleepovers till I got my own place at a college far far away.
No one asked you to come to this forum and attention whore. If you want to be left alone, you probably should start by not coming here in a clear bid to get attention.
You’ve gotten the attention, tough shit if it isn’t exactly the type of attention you wanted when you first posted your thread in the other subforum.
If you can’t see how causing your children to develop a mental illness is a bad thing, that sort of highlights how terrible a parent you are.
The problem lies with the very fact that your behavior is indicative of a deep-seated mental problem.
If this was a relatively innocuous sexual kink that wasn’t all-pervasive and played out in front of your children and the world 24/7, that’d be an entirely different thing.
I don’t buy into the idea that we can’t judge people based on their behavior. If someone spends all day standing on a milk-crate on the street corner ranting and raving about alien abductions and talking to himself I’m entirely comfortable saying, “that person is acting like a lunatic.” I don’t need to have an M.D. to do that nor do I need to explain why it is lunatic behavior, it is self-evident.
I think that’s key, too. It’s impossible to trust her self-reporting, I very seriously doubt she’ll admit to any “bad behavior” other than what she already has, in front of her children–she doesn’t seem like the type that wants to deal with much criticism and she probably realizes even many of the people who currently support her will probably only take that support so far.
This is what we like to call a post hoc argument.
I really, really hate the way the parent-child relationship has been so over-simplified in this thread. I think a lot of you are freaking out because of the way the relationship is being described in master/slave terms. I’ve already posted - TWICE - in this thread about growing up with parents who had a similar relationship, where the only difference was that it wasn’t defined in any concrete terms. (I think Queen Tonya also posted something similar.) My mom always deferred to my dad. He commanded, she obeyed. I’m not saying they didn’t love each other, or that he abused her, but it was always a given that his authority was supreme in our household. That’s just how my parents were brought up. That was the norm for their society. That is what they still believe in.
No, my mom didn’t wear a dog collar or kneel on the floor, but I think a lot of you are latching onto details that take place infrequently and making it sound like she’s fucking crawling around the house on a leash in front of her children 24/7. That’s not the impression I got at all from the thread. And anyway, it’s the principle of the thing. Children aren’t idiots, and even if the mom dresses like a goddess and the dad kisses the hem of her gown every morning, they’ll be able to sense whether there is true respect between their parents or whether the show of worship is merely a performance. A husband can shower his wife with diamonds and call her a goddess and order to make a sandwich all in one breath. Which, come to think of it, is what my dad did, for the most part.
Please tell me how this is different from the relationship in question in this thread. Please tell me how it is UNHEALTHIER to mutually consent to such a relationship and take the time to tell your children that your relationship is a particular case and not to be taken as a universal standard (which is the environment I was brought up in). And while you’re at it, please tell me how I managed to become an educated, independent woman who wrote her MA thesis on feminist literature, despite the fact I grew up watching my mother obey my father. Please tell me how my brother grew up to be a young man who has nothing but respect for his female friends.
Once again, I’m not condoning my parents’ patriarchal beliefs, but so many people in this thread seem to be insisting freekalette’s children are doomed to be warped. If a generation of parents who believed in patriarchy managed to produce children that don’t follow those beliefs, surely two individuals - who love each other and their children, who have defined their relationship and mutually consent to it, who take the time to educate their children on how their dynamic of husband-master/wife-slave is an individual choice and not a universal standard - surely they can managed to bring up children who will be no more fucked up than the rest of us.
PS - Ritter, thanks - at least now I feel like I’m not shouting into a void here.
I’ve been thinking it’s more olde skool, like Slave Mom of Gor.
I’ll go ahead and say that both relationships appear to be equally unhealthy, sure. As far as how you and your bro managed to grow up and write about feminist literature, respect female friends, etc., I’ll posit that it wasn’t from observing behavior that was modeled for you by your parents.
Sure, kids grow up okay out of all kinds of fucked-up and suboptimal situations, but that doesn’t mean that if you’re in a fucked-up or suboptimal situation you shouldn’t bother trying to change “because the kids will probably turn out okay anyway, I hope.”
My mother runs away from anxiety and depression and allows my younger brother to walk all over her.
Obviously that’s a different case than having a master for a husband, (which my mother did as well, but that was also part of the patriarchal religious society we grew up in) but the message is similar – that running away from a problem and allowing someone to boss you around is an acceptable way of dealing with anxiety.
As an outsider, unable to see the domestic dynamics, then it’s impossible to say what is happening, but I wonder what messages are being given to the children.
That is hilarious 
But fucked-up kids come out of perfectly “normal” households as well. My main point is that I don’t consider their household any more fucked-up than numerous other households out there, even if it doesn’t conform to what people consider the norm. My secondary point is that it’s difficult to predict how kids are going to turn out anyway, so getting our panties in a twist about the future of these children seems unnecessary. People in this thread seem absolutely convinced that these kids are going to grow up inevitably fucked-up. I agree that their unconventional household might raise parenting concerns that other households might not have to deal with, but I disagree that their kids are already doomed, which is what a lot of people seem to be ranting about.
I don’t have kids.
You are right, the kids may be fine. Or they may not.
Life IS a crapshoot, but in this case the dice are loaded.
Fuck you, Guestimate. You are obviously not interested in having a conversation of any sort about the topic at hand. All I see you doing in your posts is jerking off to the lubricant of your own moral outrage. There has been plenty of intelligent discussion on both sides of the issue but your indignant yet pitiful ejaculations haven’t contributed to either of them.
nah, it’s funny. I am female BTW. Actually, I have been hoping my main point (yes I only have one) would be considered and it has been.
Fair enough; point taken.
You are a nasty, nasty little cunt freak. Bad freekalette, bad freekalette. :Reach back like a pimp, slap the ho:. I can almost guarantee you that I am better looking than your husband and my dick is probably shorter so you won’t gag as often. What would you say if I propositioned you to a house that is almost certainly nicer than yours, jewel encrusted collars, slaps that don’t sting as much, and take-out food one night a week?
Hell, I could even see you going out for a few hours each week with the girls as long as you earned it including honest swallowing. I don’t think you have an ideal situation even for your preferred lifestyle. Somebody like me would rarely hit enough to cause bruising just like I don’t do that with my very young daughters. I have a 1 year old and a 5 year old. You would fit right in with them as long as you don’t use your size and disabilities to clumsily hurt them physically or stunt their mental growth (hint: my five year old would destroy you in most games or anything else except tasks requiring shear weight).
You need to play your cards better. I come from a very long line of slave-owners and we learned over time to treat our slaves well especially since my great-great-great grandfather was hacked to pieces by his slave. You wouldn’t do that would you? My genetics tell me that I need a slave not for fetish reasons but just that there always seems to be a ton of work going on when I could be doing something else. Do you mind branding? I have a branding iron that has never been used (by me) and you might be a good candidate if I can negotiate the right price with your current owner.
Shagnasty, that was vile. I don’t think you even come close to realizing how vile that was. Are you drunk or just out of your freakin’ mind?