Like **Hamlet ** shows, even moderates see that and conclude the left is still more closer to the truth, your feeble mind telling you this proves your point is the amusing thing.
That is indeed what an artful dodger does, stick in a definition and claim a clear Pyhrric victory.
And you think moving from saying “covert” to “classified” makes it better? What I do remember is that her classified status involved Iran, but the funny thing here is that you have to use the word cover any how to describe what was blown.
That is your bullshit, Armitage telling abut the classified/covert Plame might have been the origin of all this, but then ignoring the “pure” coincidence that other administration members contacted the press to confirm (the now painfully doubtful)) evidence of Iraq seeking to get Uranium from Nigeria shows idiocy.
What Wilson was reporting was the whole truth that the current information was unreliable for use in a case for war, and at that time the administration was talking about mushroom clouds, even talk of Iraq seeking (not getting) nuclear material was critical to continue fooling the American people into war. Wilson was telling the administration it was foolish to be certain, what I do think it happened was that blowing the classified status of Valerie was not the main focus, the focus was (and still is) the control of the media, the blitz the administration did and the level of control they have was exemplified by the sorry spectacle of finding members of the mainstream media in bed with the administration when they were supposed to investigate it.
Such media then posted as news what in reality was speculation from the administration and then people like Cheney jumped to say rags like the New York times printed news supportive of the cause of war independently from the administration, ergo the administration was correct, and so the rest of the mainstream media followed.
The outing of Valerie Plame was a price the administration was willing to pay for continuing the control of the media. Deluded sea monster fool, the mendacity I talk about is related to the maneuvers made to make a slam dunk of the war, Valeria Plame is collateral damage that has come to bite the administration in the ass.
Gee you find a bit of Fitzgerald differentiating between covert and classified, and still Fitzgerald (a republican) decided to prosecute, it is a bit of correction that does not help you with the fact that your Wilson quote was said with the intension to lie.
“There is a lack of people pointing out the lies and fabrications of the left”. So based on that clearly controversial statement you go ahead and make your own.
Joe Wilson did not leak any information regarding the classified status of Valerie Plame. All your “evidence” regarding this bit is a lie.
And you being caught before in the lies of the right shows that you get lessons that bite you in the butt, but you are proud to show to everybody those lessons were never learned.
Yeah, and the fact that I just ate a peach means I therefore part my hair in the middle. Makes about as much sense.
Scylla: Assertion.
RTF: Rebuttal.
Scylla: Repetition of assertion.
Define ‘positive.’ Because it’s the sort of sequence of events where, if this happened to a bunch of people you knew and had nothing to do with politics, everyone would agree that it seems unlikely that Plame’s name was brought into it for any other reason.
You keep on saying that, but saying it doesn’t make it true.
He wasn’t Plame’s boss during the period in question - and was apparently not even CIA then. Unless the CIA is a hell of a lot more chatty with former agents than it should be, he shouldn’t have known anything.
Most central: what reason would he have had to know what the neighbors knew about Plame’s career? He would have had no professional reason. If he lived in the same neighborhood and overheard gossip, then he’s better informed than I only due to living in the same neighborhood.
If that’s the case, let him produce one neighbor who knew, prior to Novak’s piece, that Plame was CIA.
Just Rove going to a lot of trouble to drop her name into conversations he initiated with various reporters.
You think he was doing this out of good will for the Wilsons? Hahahaahaha.
Yeah, I said that. They’re not supposed to talk about whether they were once covert, even after their cover has been blown.
Only to you.
You’re right - they’re not stupid enough to violate their oaths. That doesn’t support anything you’re saying. Other than reinforcing the fact that you twisted that Wilson quote earlier.
I stand in defense of the douchebag! In no wise did he distort the Wilson quote, he merely excised those portions that might prove inconvenient. Like the difference between “classified” and “covert”, the subtlety of this distinction may evade you.
President Bush’s claim about yellowcake came in a State of the Union Address in January of 2003. Joe Wilson’s editorial response about what he didn’t find in Africa was written the first week of July in 2003 and Valerie Plame was outed by mid-July. The election was in 2004.
I’m sure you do, Scylla. I wouldn’t be surprised if you also blame Bill Clinton, Michael Moore, and the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt. But most of us are going to continue blaming the people who are actually guilty; Armitage, Libby, and Rove.
Scylla is apparently going to pass on this question, so we can only guess at his thoughts on this issue. But I think he’s trying to imply that the CIA might have classified the fact that Plame wasn’t a covert agent. This argument has two flaws; it’s not true and it makes no sense. But you can’t blame Scylla for the difficulty he’s facing. You have to really stretch the boundaries of truth and reason to make a case it’s all the liberals’ fault when apparently every single person involved in this mess is a Republican.
Actually, I would argue that you can, since it was fairly obvious from the beginning that Scylla was throwing out a poorly developed and illogical argument that was intended only to generate conflict and garner attention for himself.
Hey, waitaminnit! Isn’t Joe Wilson a Democrat? Or at least a lickspittle enabler of the Liberal Agenda[sup]TM[/sup]? So Scylla is correct after all: it’s all Joe Wilson’s fault. Why, hell, if he hadn’t married the woman – worse yet, sired kids on her – none of this would ever have happened.
but did his hand written comments include a statement like “I am going to out his wife to discredit Wilson and all for nefarious political motives”??? and were said comments written in his blood, proven by DNA match? if not, I submit to you the claim would still be non proven in his eyes.
Folks, you can do one of 2 things in the future when you see another **Scylla ** selfpityfest here, ISTM: Either DNFTT, or let him continue to make the case for the guys he appears on the surface to be attacking. Really, he does a mighty fine job of that.
Hamlet let says something stupid about talking points. As if somebody else saying it makes it wrong. More shit about my personality, his personality. Yawn.
Gigobuster Nothing there.
RTF Repeats his not the boss comment about the 24 year veteran.
Really? Where’d you hear that? Kind of makes her book deal moot. Gotta cite for that rule?
Zoe
Yes. Thank you, and the scandal grew through that period.
Little Nemor Some stupid stuff, confused about “covert” verus “classified” and why I don’t want to explain. He wonders at ulterior motives.
No. It’s just a stupid ass question not worth my time since it’s already been explained and cited, and participants in this discussion oughtta know, and Lucy’s a pain in the ass. Gadarene The handwritten comments. He wrote “Wilson,” right? And, one other word, right? And from this you construe…?
Okeydoke.
You guys got two things to prove.
Prove the administration deliberately leaked Plame’s name for retribution and show how Plame was covert up to the time the article was published.
If someone wants to make a solid run at proving either of those things with, you know… actual arguments, backed by things like logic and cites, than we have a debate.
Thundering piffle. You cannot answer the question “If Ms. Plame were not covert, why then did the CIA refer the matter for criminal investigation. Since, being the CIA, they were in an excellent position to know whether or not she were covert.”
Being unable to do so, you fall back on not being a mind-reader and some drivel about some alleged distinction between “classified” and “covert” that you are unwilling to clarify. Since, of course, you can’t. So you claim, for the 10,000 time, that you have absolutely demolished that issue and can’t be bothered. Standard Scylla playbook.
In the midst of your victory lap, you look up to see that the stands are empty and the other guys have taken the trophy, gone home, and are printing up the T-shirts!
Jubilation T. Cornpone. Cornpone’s Defeat, Cornpone’s Rout, and Cornpone’s Utter Humiliation.
Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin’
You gotta have somethin’
If you wanna be with me
Pathetic non-reply from a non-character, it is to be expected.
However I’m content with the fact that everybody can see here how you do not want to deal with the clear lie you wanted to pass in the Wilson quote. It is evidence enough of your “powers” of deduction, and the quality of your character.