Indeed, given that what we’ve witnessed is what Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) called “the beginning of the end of America.” The HCR bill has ruined America! We’ll never be able to return to the blissful, Godly capitalist serenity of the 1950s now!
Why would a teabagger want to stay?
America is doomed to painfully crawl towards what virtually every other halfway civilized nation has already accomplished. Horrors!
Didn’t you read the OP? Those left wingers talking about going to Canada or whatever are what inspired this. That, and Limbaugh’s apparent delusions that he can escape the evils of health care by moving to Costa Rica.
Although the Left is more reasonable about this, because if they want to they really can go to some other country and live under more left wing rule, and in a nice, prosperous nation too. The rightwingers can’t; we are pretty much it. We’re the major right wing extremist nation; they have nowhere to run except maybe some impoverished hellhole somewhere ( surely some place on Earth is more right wing than America ).
Don’t be silly. Most of the left wingers I see are unhappy with how little they’ve won. If there’s any gloating, its over how the Right is going into a frenzy over this vote.
Yes; it always goes more to the right over time. It always over time becomes more sadistic, more brutal, more aggressive, more ignorant, more fanatic. There are occasional pauses like Clinton and Obama where the nation stops going to the right for a bit, but in my lifetime it have never drifted to the left. This “left wing” bill is basically a right wing proposal from a few years ago.
Yeah, when the torturers and mass murderers get back into office I’m sure you’ll have a barrel of laughs. especially if some of those liberals you despise so much end up getting disappeared, tortured and executed. Real fun there.
If you are ok trading Christianity for Islam, than the UAE fits the bill - no taxes at all, you can attend church, but the government while not Islam in a political sense, has Islamic traditions at its core.
But they’ll fight in every single trench before they’ll willingly put on those shoes, much less wash.:smack:
Yes, there are a few, but (as has already been pointed out), they are places where Islam is the official religion, and the country is run by Islamic fundamentalists. Ironically, since if there’s any group that the Christian right hates more than liberals and socialists, it’s those conservative Islamic fundamentalists.
Yeah, but Limbaugh is an idiot. I don’t see how that fact contradicts the point of what you were quoting there. There is no reason for people (left or right) to leave the US…our political system and what our citizens seemingly want or don’t want change more frequently than the weather.
The problem with your nice little stereotype though is that the average lefty is worthless and couldn’t get a job in one of those nice UHC countries, while the average righty is a hard working and driven capitalist who has boat loads of cash to heal grease the way into these other countries.
Since we are going to build strawmen and all, I want to make sure mine are the fluffy-est!
Do you suppose that most of the right wingers we would be talking about were happy with the meager crumbs THEY got when the Republicans were in power?? Abortion still seems to be legal, prayer is still not in schools, the government still hasn’t been substantially cut, the budget still hasn’t been balanced nor has all those socialist government programs been cut (quite the opposite), and gay marriage has only been put off…even the most rabid right winger can see the writing on the wall which makes them even more unhappy.
Liberals aren’t happy with the gains they have made? They haven’t gotten all their own way but have had to seriously compromise? 
Welcome to the US political system! Enjoy the ride, but keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times, or you might lose a limb…
Horseshit. No point in getting into this with you, as you can’t disconnect your world view enough to take a real unbiased look at things today wrt how they were 10, 20, 50, 100 years ago. But the US has clearly moved leftward…which is a good thing, IMHO, at least socially. Economically we have moved into cluster fuck territory, but that’s another matter.
Uhuh. I’m sure they will all be walking about with jackboots going Sieg Heil! as well, ehe?
And, just FTR, I don’t despise liberals…I consider myself a liberal, especially on social issues, so that would be a bit uncomfortable. I despise SOME liberals…as I despise some (many actually) ‘conservatives’, especially social conservatives or quasi-religious rw fanatic type ‘conservatives’.
-XT
Way to take the premise of my OP too literally. Obviously these people aren’t going to leave anymore than liberals did when the Supreme Court awarded Bush II his presidency.
And this in a nutshell is the point behind this thread.
Virtually every other at least halfway civilized nation on earth has UHC, for but these teabaggers, even a hint of that is a reason to fear the “end of America.”
Ironically, it still seems like the teabagger’s best option is to move to an Islamic country. It’s the only way to avoid the hell of the government-managed healthcare that is destroying America.
Precious America! Dragged to hell by healthcare reform! NooooOOOOOOooooo! …
haha! You’re stuck here with the liberals!! Unless you can live in a Islamic country. Maybe Dubai might suit you.
Which is worse, my Tea Party friends?
The key difference being that, afaict, only a few idiots like Rush are even suggesting such a thing, while there was a fairly wide spread amount of liberal whinnage concerning contemplating bolting the fascist nation of the US for Canada or Europe.
The premise of the thread seems to be that liberals could go anywhere while ‘teabaggers’ are fucked, since UHC is everywhere. This is a flawed premise built on the misconception that liberals actually could just go anywhere (and be happy), and that ‘teabaggers’ would be unhappy simply because a given country has UHC. My guess is that UHC, in and of itself wouldn’t be the stopper for most ‘teabaggers’…it would be the amount of taxes they are paying and the cost of living. If their tax rate and cost of living was less, then I doubt most would care whether or not a given country has UHC or not. My other guess is that most liberals wouldn’t be happy moving to another country even if they COULD, since what looks great from the outside isn’t nearly so great once one is in.
As a personal anecdote, my sister, her husband and family (both my sister and her husband are about as liberal as you could name) moved to Ireland a few years ago. Last year she and her family moved back to the US. Her and her husband thought it would be great…UHC, lots of social programs, happy happy, joy joy. The reality, however, was that they were paying through the nose in taxes, that everything cost more (especially housing, gasoline and food), and that what they thought would a nice income turned out to be not enough for them to live on.
So…IMHO, ‘teabaggers’ would be more than happy to move to a country with UHC (assuming they actually COULD move to such a country), as long as their taxes and cost of living wouldn’t go up (or may be less than here), but would be unhappy to move to one where those costs were higher, while liberals might or might not be happy, even if the country they were potentially moving too (again, even assuming they could) had all the programs and things they think they want, depending on a bunch of factors…including the their taxes and the cost of living.
-XT
Again with the taking my OP literally.
I don’t think you actually read it at all.
Yeah…I read it. I’m just not singing kumbaya in harmony with everyone else…
-XT
Well of course all of the Tea Partier nonsense about the “end of America” because of the healthcare reform bill is nothing more than posturing to rile up their supporters. Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
But in the end there might be some very real consequences to that rabble-rousing. Would that they just threatened to move, like liberals did.
We’ve actually tortured people. We’ve engaged in actual wars of conquest. And the dismissal of people like you of that as being irrelevant, even amusing is why it’s likely to happen again once the far Right gets back in to power. It’s not like you are going to try to stop it; you’ll just watch it happen, laughing as you said you would at the people saying it will happen again the whole way, and probably laughing at the victims too.
BINGO!!!
Haiti is the teabagger’s dream. No government to interfere with whatever it is you want to do. If some “official” makes a noise you just pay them off.
A flat tax of 25% but, of course, that is easily avoided.
No welfare programs or safety net for the underprivileged. (They pretend there are but it is mostly BS.)
Cheap labor. Cheap, cheap labor. How do you spell slavery?
A “Christian” nation. But if you ever have a problem with that you slip into voodoo which exists in the shadow of Christianity.
Law & order practiced indiscriminately by whoever is in power. After all, cracking heads is the way to maintain order. The Ton-Ton Macautes were very efficient and effective.
The rich just get richer. If you can afford it you can get it. Nobody gets a handout.
You’re going to have to work on the roads, but hey, nothing’s perfect.
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Isn’t that interesting? Our war on terror = war with Islamic fundamentalists. So the most right winged christian nation in the planet is fighting right wing Islamic extremists…
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The OP is legitimate: libertarians regularly bemoan the fact that the US political system is insufficiently purist, hence the references to Libertopia on this board. The free state project seeks to recruit 20,000 libertarians to move to New Hampshire and… well it’s not clear what they want to do. There’s no analogue among the left because there are plenty of advanced nations in the world with civil liberties and a mixed economy.
Anyway, take the tea partiers at their word. In their delusion, they maintained that 2 million of them marched in Washington, DC on Sep 12th. So take 5% of that: 100,000 pure blooded nationalists (it would be more like 2000, but never mind). A hundred thousand doesn’t have to worry whether there’s a country to their liking: they could simply build one from scratch. And think of the massive efficiencies that all that freedom would bring: you would expect economic growth of 4 billion percent!
I recommend the Western Sahara. Its population of 513,000 should prove no match for a hundred thousand well armed though overweight freedom lovers. I trust the Moroccans wouldn’t mind too much. Possibly.
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The OP is legitimate: libertarians regularly bemoan the fact that the US political system is insufficiently purist, hence the references to Libertopia on this board.
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And I’m a card carrying member of Libertopia on this board. However, libertarian does not equal ‘Tea Partier’, nor are ‘tea baggers’, in general, libertarians or associated with the libertarian movement, afaik anyway. They have some superficial similarities wrt taxes and the size of the government, but that’s about it.
But you are making the same two assumptions here. The first one is that a ‘tea bagger’ wouldn’t be happy in any system other than one that was exactly like what s/he wanted (i.e. tea bag heaven), while on the other hand that because the system may be what an American liberal THINKS they would like abounds all over the world. I don’t believe that either of these are actually the case.
Granted, I’m not expert on the mind set of the Tea Party movement in the US (in fact, I don’t actually know anyone involved in the movement personally or even professionally), but at a guess they don’t orient towards bolting from the US to seek their utopia elsewhere…instead, my guess is they would want to try and manipulate the system to create their utopia HERE.
-XT
Wikipedia says there are 43 Vatican residents who are neither members of the Swiss guard nor under holy orders (officials responsible for the day-to-day administration of the city itself, mostly) but even they’re all Catholic.
There is no way you’re going to get a teabagger to move to an island full of brown people who don’t speak English.
Without doing any research … how about Armenia?
I understand that Ron Paul supporters have a solid foothold among the Tea Partiers.
Let’s take those assumptions one by one:
a) Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin distributes a map that places Democratic lawmakers in the cross hairs of a rifle sight. Advocating violence against our nation’s democratically elected representatives suggest some degree of unhappiness with the current state of affairs. So that’s one support for my hypothesis.
b) RNC President Michael Steele characterized passage of the Affordable Care Act as, “…the first vote for the end of representative government.” He doesn’t sound too happy either. Personally, if I thought that was the case, I’d be checking my passport but to each his own.
c) Bill Kristol thinks Obama is a 1960s Marxist. If I thought that Stalin was going to take over the US, I might be making some polite inquiries among those living in free nations, like Australia, France and Sweden.
d) Finally Mitt Romney thinks that, “America has just witnessed an unconscionable abuse of power. President Obama has betrayed his oath… … historic usurpation of the legislative process…unleashed the nuclear option… bribed reluctant members of his own party, paid-off his union backers…” Wow, that sounds pretty bad. Unconscionable: not guided by conscience; unscrupulous. Usurpation: an act of usurping; wrongful or illegal encroachment, infringement, or seizure, eg Bush v Gore (2000). Bribery: the act or practice of giving or accepting a bribe: Bribery of a public official is a felony. Sounds like you should pack your bags, Mitt.
So we have four examples of right wing hysteria by 4 of our nation’s leaders. Now maybe you’re thinking that these folks are delusional chowderheads who shouldn’t be trusted with pointed scissors, never mind the nation’s policy making apparatus. I disagree: I think they are misunderstood geniuses who are prime candidates for a new nation, The People’s Republic of Freedonia.