Kirk also reminds me of this guy:
Picwrd calls Riker “Will” with some frequency. “Number One” is a nickname no less than “Bones.”
Maybe this got better over the seasons, it certainly wasn’t my impression.
Naah, one’s a reinforcement of hierarchal relationships, it’s a title not a nickname. The other’s an occupational nickname. McCoy will always be ‘Bones’ to Kirk, wherever he goes, Riker is only “No 1” to Picard as long as he’s Picard’s 2inC. It’s not a warm nickname (and wasn’t when it was used in The Cage, either)
Crap! And I forgot “Mirror, Mirror”!
We both did. It would have to tie with one of my other ten, though. ![]()
Hierarchal relationships are not necessarily a bad thing, especially in a job when the senior may well have to order the juniors to go off and get killed for the welfare of third parties.
Those 4 would make a great Marvel movie.
Kirk and Picard are both great characters. Kirk is like the older brother you respect and look up to but Picard is like the Dad you try to be like some day.
No, they’re not. But non-hierarchical ones aren’t any less realistic (where this started) and, for me, are less fun to watch than friendship-based ones. Hence, I prefer Kirk’s interactions with his 2 buddies to Picard’s with his underlings.
I’m not sure I entirely agree. While it does refer to the command structure, it is not technically a title. “First Officer” or maybe “XO” would be titles. The way Picard uses it “Number One” seems formal yet informal at the same time. I also recall the episode when he was stuck in a turbo lift with the children. It’s use there was certainly affectionate:
PICARD: Your name is Marissa. Is that right? Well, Marissa, I’m going to need a first officer to help me. You’re the oldest and so that makes you my Number One.
MARISSA: Number One?
PICARD: That’s what I always called my first officer.
I’d say that it’s a blending of affection and stick-up-one’s-butt formality and stick-up-one’s-butt formality. ![]()
More info here (including its use in The Cage): Number one | Memory Alpha | Fandom
Huh, I had the impression the use there was to make the children feel important so they wouldn’t be all childish and distracting. Also, that Picard would have preferred not to be riding in the turbolift with them in the first place because children suck.
His TWO buddies. During the series, Kirk was friends with Spock and McCoy, and to a lesser extent Scott; not so much Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, Chapel, and Rand. Similarly, Picard was genuinely friends was Beverly and Data, but not so much Riker and Sort and LaForge; Worf was friends with Riker more than with Data; Troi and Beverly were.besties, but neither were.close to LaForge; etc. Life’s like that.
Friends with Data? More like father figure to Data. Friend (without benefits) to Beverly true.
Kirk would have been playing poker with the crew well before the final episode of the series.
I’d probably want to serve under Picard, it is safer. I’d much rather watch Kirk. It’s more fun.
And even though Picard called Riker “Will,” it was never the other way around. Beverly was the only officer who called Picard Jean-Luc. At least Spock and Bones both felt comfortable enough around Kirk to call him “Jim.”
Heck, if the alternate future presented in the TNG final episode is any guide, even 25 years in the future, LaForge won’t be calling Picard by his first name until told it’s okay.
With the way that show handled genetics and evolution, I think we just have to accept that this is an alternate universe where it does really work that way.
Not only that, it’s one where the dead are regularly brought back to life.
I mulled it over and I have to go with TOS. There were simply too many moments in TNG where I felt lectured, condescended to and/or preached at.
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good grief, wouldn’t let me post that as all caps even with the quote.