Maybe they will write it off as some drunk crazy woman shot up a bunch of gay dudes. If they are aware of the mafia connection, it might not get investigated. You think they’d at least try to interview Portia.
Heh, that’s why Portia put on her clever disguise in the airport!
Of course if they really wanted to talk to her, they would put a red flag on her name, so that an alert would pop up when she goes through airport security, and they can delay her departure long enough to interview her.
But they may not realize that quickly that Portia was traveling with the dead woman.
I think he was slightly less drunk than he was pretending to be.
To be honest, the one person I thought would not be the body was Tanya.
I think the real question is whether Tanya has other heirs who would inherit her entire estate if Greg was found to be mixed up in her death. If so, they have a strong incentive to spend a lot of money doing independent investigation, to the extent they can. And, once Portia is back in the USA and feeling a bit less paranoid, she might have information to set them down that track.
Overall, I enjoyed the season a lot. I feel like they dropped the ball overall in two areas:
(1) The whole gays-murder-Tanya thing really doesn’t make sense, or at least their plan as implemented doesn’t make sense. Why risk getting to know her, being seen with her, etc? If Greg is in on it, it should be easy to either lure or somewhere or get someone her room key. Just have her killed without ever going within 100 miles of her
(2) I kept feeling like there was going to be some closure/twist/revelation with the two couples. Maybe in this case it’s better there wasn’t, as there was some amount of a “twist” in two of the other storylines (Tanya/Greg/gays and Lucia playing Albie). But still, there were a lot of hints of something else going on that didn’t, on the surface, really go anywhere. On the other hand, that’s how life is sometimes, so not much of a black mark.
Can I express some criticisms?
I felt both compelled to watch but sorta repulsed by both seasons. Doctress C. loved both seasons and was shocked to learn I flat didn’t like it, not much at all, about 2 episodes before the finale of season 2.
I feel like the characters are all vapid, cardboard, and extremely, ham-fisted-ly stereotypical. No one has any depth (IMDO) or development, just entropy. Certainly no redemption. I found Armond to be the most likeable, and will say Daphne’s convo with Ethan was some strong acting. But otherwise all the characters are deplorable.
Albie was one of the most self-aware, socially caring (“woke”), intelligent and root-for-able characters in the series to date but he quickly sold his clout to a literal w**re. I don’t use that word, but I feel her character was written as such. She showed Albie romantic intent, asked for money, realized he had feelings, and enterprized against him. No real heart of gold, there.
But there are so many unresolved plot-holes. What about the entire dementia angle? They introduced escalations including his bandaged head, then never resolved or came back to it.
Albie is repulsive–the White Knight willing to gaslight his mom along with his cheating father all for a little carnal delight.
But I feel the show is OBJECTIVELY bad, poorly written, disregard or even contempt for the audience.
The “whodunnit” angle was always misleading, all the way down to Daphne finding a bare floating genderless leg when Tanya fell over wearing impossibly tight sandals.
The dad balked at 50k but already gave them 5k basically to let him off the hook.
At this point I feel like I can batmitton away any debate anyone wants to have about this show, season 1 or 2. Everyone is awful, dumb, and it’s bad TV. Bad writing, too much deus ex and “iT’s OnLy a Tv ShOw” like it can just treat us like we’re dumb.
The mean shrew lady is that way because she needs a good FUCK!
It’s 2022. This show is trash.
Fight me.
“I have a pre-nup that makes it extra extra tempting to KILL ME so you get the money.”
Dumb.
The characters talk OVER each other, never TO each other. They use dream sequences so you don’t know what’s what. They often just LIE.
Both seasons are a very high %%% destination shots and B-roll. “But it’s so pretty!” Doctress C says. “Let’s watch Planet Earth, then!”
a 3rd of the show is just B-roll, waves, pretty countryside, etc.
A 3rd of the plot is just filler, too.
Kind of a strange thing to say to a show that has multiple Emmys and will win multiple more for this season. You may subjectively think it’s bad, but lots of people disagree with you.
Shrug I never thought it treated the audience as dumb and I thought the writing was very good and the characters were amusing vapid rich people. No one is noble, everyone is treating others like objects, and that’s the point.
Game of Thrones was a critical darling, that doesn’t mean fans don’t hate how sloppy the writing got.
Two and Half Men won a ton of Emmys, too–are you going to argue Jon Cryer is objectively a great actor having won that Emmy? Is that a good show because of Emmys?
At any rate, I’m not alone in my criticism.
6 technical Emmys, 1 guest star Emmy (Kathy Bates), and 2 for Cryer doesn’t seem like a ton to me. But regardless, I don’t think anyone can claim Cryer is objectively bad actor based on his two Emmys. I’m not the one arguing something has to be an objective fact based on my opinion which runs contrary to the majority of TV critics after all
I have a question, but I’ll spoiler it as it involve the final episode of season 2:
Was Tanya correct, then? “The gays” were going to kill her for her husband so he could get her money and he would give them some? Did the show make sure we understood that was indeed what was happening and she wasn’t just wrong?
I took it that she was indeed correct. Her line, “Is Greg having an affair?” after shooting all of them was hilarious, by the way.
I think it’s left a tiny bit ambiguous, but Jack’s goodbye with Portia is pretty damning, as well as Tanya ride back to the shore arriving with a full mafia kidnap-murder kit in his bag.
Jack: This is Catania. The airport is just that way. Do you want my advice? ( Inhales sharply ) Don’t go to the hotel. Don’t wait around. Just get on your flight tomorrow, get the fսck out of Sicily. All right? These people are powerful. You don’t wanna fսck with 'em.
So Tanya wasn’t, IMO, working with enough facts to be sure, but she was definitely correct.
Yes, this is what I thought afterwards as well.
I agree that, yes, they intended to kill Tanya so Greg would inherit and give money to Quentin. But what I’m wondering is what was Jack meant to do with Portia; just drive her around to keep her busy, or was he meant to kill her as well?
Not sure, but she was a surprise to the plan. The husband was furious she brought her personal aid on the trip and now we know why. I think they had to quickly fabricate a plan to get rid of her.
If we are applying real-world logic to the situation, and I’m not sure we are, the baddies are far better off if Portia survives and is just as surprised as everyone else when she learns that Tanya is dead. Dead old tipsy lady who fell off a boat: plausible. Dead old tipsy lady who fell off a boat and also her young assistant mysterious vanishes or dies? FAR more suspicious.
Obviously I agree with you or I wouldn’t have started this thread. From the the posts in this thread it seems that season 2 had more of a plot than season 1 but I’m not enough to get me to watch. It just seems designed to get you to hate everyone. And I did, but in a way that meant I never wanted to see them again. Season 2 eposode 1 is the last one I’m watching.
Not sure if this thread is zombied yet, but I just watched Season 2 this week, so I’ll assume it’s still a live thread with a perhaps gratuitous need for spoilers.
ETA: having unexpected trouble getting the spoilers to blur–will copy and save until I can figure it out. In fact, I’ll try to spoil this line as an experiment
I’ll try it again in a new post:
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I was disappointed in the resolution of the murder mystery, felt it was a bit of a dumb plot, not really well thought out (either by the murder-plotters or by Mike White, probably a little of each.) OK, the Italian police aren’t the best, maybe, but you don’t need to be Columbo to twig to what’s going on here. A billionairess (or close to it) gets drowned (or shot?) and you’re not going to investigate the husband or the crowd she’s been hanging out with for the past four days? Please.
The long con involves a degree of scamming that depends on highly improbable events as well–Greg gets the idea of marrying Tanya and murdering her when? Before he “runs into” her in Hawai’i? For a skinny bald guy in his sixties, that presumes an awful lot of confidence in his charm, doesn’t it? Sort of like the presumption that the charmless Jack will be able to charm Portia into going off with him for days at a time (which I don’t think was even necessary anyway). I mean, that whole sub-plot rests on the odd mindset that she would be drawn to bad boys like Jack, (crude, vulgar, abusive morons) rather than an educated attractive fellow like Albie–it turns out she was, of course, but to predict that and to depend on it in advance? Very improbable.
The plot with Valentina was a bit odd too. In both seasons of the WL, the hotel manager turns out to be a closeted gay person whose sexual desires cause him/her to be discovered screwing a subordinate on the hotel property? What’s up with that? Did Mike White have a relationship with a hotel manager that went sideways?
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The problem i have is
there is no way Season 1 Greg was written to be a conman. This sort of retrofitting is for crappy soaps only