White Nationalism: Continued debate from BBQ

Great Debates
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Personally? No. You are asking what I would do as a leader of this nation if I were in charge. As a leader of the nation, certain assets would be under suspect. The assets would not be seized for myself. The segregate and secede strategy would render this discussion moot.

We reject multiculturalism as a distructive policy for a nation. Crime, ethnic strife, and demands for special treatment follow multiculturalist third-world immigration wherever it goes. Even the white so-called liberals most often flee to a suburb and send kids to private schools rather than stay in a neighborhood that has become a slum.

Why should I sit around and inspect every single individual tree instead of seeing what damage the entire forest causes? Whites aren’t flocking to Korea and Somalia and demanding a place for them. The third world flocks to our countries because they like what kind of country whites build. The problem is that our countries are the way they are because they were built by people with a certain heritage and culture. If you trade all the Swedes in Switzerland with Somalis, Switzerland won’t be the country it is today. It will be like Somalia.

It is the tribalism that conflicts with non-Jewish interests wherever Jews go which I am opposed to. Read A Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald to have a clue what I am talking about.

So you you think there should be a foot-fetishist rights group demanding that schoolchildren be taught tolerance to foot fetishism?

The reason for Jewish success is that they have always acted as a distinct group looking out for each other’s interests. Cohesive groups will always succeed over bickering individuals. It’s called “Divide and Conquer”. White gentile Americans have been convinced that to act as a group for their own interests is evil, while Jewish groups have a very distinct strategy of doing what is good for the Jews. The same Jewish groups that press for multiculturalism, liberalism, and universalism reject all of that when it comes to Israel.

No answer because I reject your buzzwords about “hate” and “bigotry”.

What does conservatism have to do with forking over tax dollars to a foreign nation? Everything about the right wing is traditionally against tax spending and dual-loyalty. It’s neoconservatives who have hijacked the right-wing. What makes something “right-wing”? In my opinion, having a certain principle makes someone right wing, not slapping on a pro-GOP badge and mouthing off on Faux News.

I suppose you would rather me let out a string of slurs so that I can be banned by the mods? My version is about as “watered-down” as the BNP. We want our own nation or we want control of our present nation back. We don’t want to live in a third-world cesspool, and we don’t want to live in a nation controlled by Zionists. We don’t want to put up with black criminals who riot and murder whites. We don’t want to fork over our hard-earned tax dollars so some immigrant can have ten kids. Quite simple. If that makes me “guilty” in your eyes, then I don’t really care what you think. At least I don’t want to rule over anyone in Asia, Africa, or the Middle-east.

Norman Finkelstein can stay.

Ending immigration along with voluntary segregation.

Don’t play petty games. Point to this powerful Irish lobby of yours and show me how it comes anywhere close to AIPAC. Zionist control of US foreign policy is turning the US into a world-wide joke.

Any foreign interest group that comes remotely close to the power of the Zionist lobby is a threat to the sovereignity of a nation. If they were just a little club, I wouldn’t deport them. If they were pressing politicians to support Germany at the expense of their own and demand taxpayers give billions to Germany even when there was proof that Germany was infiltrating the country with spies, they would have to go.

*"…It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them…As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practise the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils…

    • George Washington

Teaching schoolchildren “Gay is Good!” isn’t in the best interests of those who wish to preserve our culture. We don’t want to live in a liberalized, multiculturalized “nation” full of people demanding “rights” for whatever sexual deviance strikes their fancy at the moment. Be homosexual in your own bedroom, write out a will, and be thankful you don’t live in a Muslim nation that would behead you.

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The Zionist lobby allows no free and open debate. There is more open debate within Israel than in the US Congress about support of Israel’s policies. When there is a choice between defending the sovereignity of my nation and caring about the perceived “rights” of dual-loyalists to extort, smear, and bribe politicians into supporting another country, I choose my nation. The Zionists can go live in their own.

There is a double standard, and you know it. If two whites brutalized and murdered five blacks, it would be all over the media and the outrage would be huge. Jesse Jackson would be leaping around screaming about evil White America. There wouldn’t need to be any proof because it would already be assumed that it is a hate crime. The only reason it isn’t being called a hate crime now is because they immediately rejected that theory before even considering it. A black person would have to be wearing a “Kill Whitey” shirt nowadays while doing his crimes for the media to consider that black criminals target white victims.

Look what happens whenever a cop even pushes a black guy who’s resisting arrest. The media doesn’t even need to know the facts before they scream about police brutality and racist cops.

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Ever read Guns, Germs, and Steel? The author makes a highly compelling argument that the reasons for the social success of Europe are due to the incredible mixing of ideas that was an inevitable result of the diversity of European peoples. More peoples/cultures = more exchange of ideas = more advanced civilizations. That the Europeans had pale-to-not-so-pale skin had nothing at all to do with it–the underlying conditions for rapid advancement simply didn’t exist elsewhere (except for China, which got derailed by closing itself off to outsiders).

In addition, how do you account for modern success stories like Japan, Korea, and Singapore (lemme guess-they’re Asians, right?) or the modern failures of Russia and much of Eastern Europe (Jews, right?)?

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I think what people want is the right to walk down the street, and hold hands, and NOT have to worry about being beaten or killed.

Or the right to simply say, “My boyfriend”, as a straight man would mention is girlfriend. Not explicit sexually, but just, as in, “My boyfriend and I are going to the movies on Saturday.”
Also, what defines “white?”

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White people can’t walk around in non-white slums without getting beaten or killed.

No, I have not read that book, but I am sure there are many multi-cult books around with the “diversity is strength” message.

They haven’t bought into the multi-cult. Japan is racially homogenous with common traditions and culture that respect education, family, and work ethic that leads to success. Import millions of third-world immigrants and American blacks/mestizos into Japan, and they’ll have the same problems. They’re smart enough to not allow it in the first place, for now. The West has forgotten the notion of “quality over quantity”.

Russia and Eastern Europe are in a mess because of communism. You aren’t far off the mark when you mention Jews. Jews were prominent in the Bolshevist movement that brought communism to Russia. And to think that some people still want communism…

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I’m going to take this quote out and ask a question. What do third-worlders have to offer to the West today? What deep ideas do they have that we need? What can Africans offer? Voodoo and FGM? Restaurants? Voting ballots printed in ten languages?

Get real. Third-worlders aren’t strengthening our society or offering any meaningful “exchange of ideas”. They’re imported for cheap labor without any regard for the present inhabitants.

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You claim that Japan, Korea, and Singapore have succeeded because they are racially homogenous. But many, many countries (even in Asia) are racially homogenous and have failed miserably at creating successful modern societies. Meanwhile, America–which has embraced diversity and widespread immigration for a hell of a long time–is the most advanced, successful, and all-around bad-ass motherfucker of a nation this planet has ever seen.

Explanations, please?

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What about Slavs? Are Slavs still considered not white?

I’d like to know, because I really don’t think there is such a thing as “White”. If you think about it hard enough, being “White” is pretty diverse in and of itself. A Byzantine Orthodox Russian man is worlds away from an Irish Catholic school girl and neither have much in common with your Prussian Protestant shoemaker.
Er, something.

:smiley:

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Get educated. Read the book. It won the Pulitzer Prize for history, you know. (Is that a jewprize?)

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Not ture. I used to live in a non-white area here in Metro DC–never had a speck of trouble. In fact, the two times I was robbed, it was by white guys (I’m white, too), so I guess that means I should fear my own people.

That’s ridiculous on its face. America has always importeds cheap labor. A century os so ago, we imported the Irish and Italians, poor people from poor nations, be cause they worked cheaply. Now its the turn of Latin America and Asia. As long as the immigrants learn English and become part of the great melting pot, I got no problem with them.

And the restaurants alone are worth allowing immigration. If I couldn’t have Thai curry, Korean barbecue, Salvadoran pupusas, and Ethiopian stews, I’d just starve.

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And why are they third worlders? Because of their color? Or it is something more complicated?

What about ancient Egypt? What about the Incas, the Mayans and the Aztecs?

Another thing-about so-called inter-racial breeding-if we keep breeding with “ourselves”, aren’t we going to end up inbreeding?

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Until a few decades ago, all those immigrants were EUROPEANS. America grew from a few little colonies into a strong nation from sea-to-sea with EUROPEAN immigrants. Immigration was restricted to whites. Floods of immigration were balanced with periods of strict immigration control. America was always majority white until third world immigration was allowed. Ironically, when third world immigration was being considered, it’s proponents claimed it would be no big deal and wouldn’t change the cultural landscape of America. Nowadays, we know that’s a lie because the cultural landscape has been radically changed and they chant “Diversity is strength” instead. Some liberals even still believe it as they flee to the suburbs when their old neighborhood goes down the drain.

What do Somalis have to offer to the West?

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That’s a crock.

When immigration began to come from Europe, not EVERY European was seen as “white”. In fact, originally, Slavs, Irish, Italians, Greeks were all seen as “dirty” and “foreign”.

Now, all of a sudden, they’re white.

The perspective changes over time. In fact, when my great grandparents got married, my great great grandmother was furious because her son-a good little German boy-was going to marry and Irish girl!

Nowadays, that would be no big deal. It would so not be an issue.

But back in the 1920s, it was a very big deal.

Someday, I hope that becomes the case with a black person and a white person marrying.

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Oh, is that what it is? Let’s try this. On your fine SF MB there is a poll (at stormfront.org/forum/poll.php?action=showresults&pollid=374). Topic: How much do you hate the Jews? And the results are…

I would assume that most or all of the final group are “anti’s” – I certainly have not seen such sentiment expressed on the SFMB. Which leaves 3 groups. I notice that you are in the third group – i.e. the moderate group. And you want to deport all the Jews except Norman Finkelstein and seize most of their assets. So let’s consider the first two groups, shall we? As a moderate Jew-hater, what is your opinion of, say, those who hate Jews blindly and would decapitate one at sight? Fine White people?

The problem is that using terms as they should be defined according to your opinion can lead to a lot of confusion, when your opinion conflicts with that of the people you are addressing. So it is wise to avoid this. But never mind. Having established that “conservative” as used by Sionnach means “White Nationalist” and liberal means “everyone else” we can now be clear regarding your future use of such terms. Please be consistent, though.

I don’t know how any of this connects to what I’ve said. Does it?

Ending immigration does not get you there. So let’s talk about “voluntary segregation”. On whose end is it voluntary? Suppose all sorts of Blacks and Hispanics are not interested in returning to segregation – as I imagine they would not be. How do you bring about this “voluntary segregation”?

It doesn’t come anywhere close to AIPAC – there simply are not that many outstanding issues with Ireland. I’ve heard it brought up with regards to the US extradition of IRA terrorists to England. There is thought to be pressure from Irish-Americans not to do this. But I don’t think it makes a difference how much power a given traitor has. If there are Irish groups who influence the US due to allegiance to their Irish heritage, straining relations with GB, they should be – by your standards – dual-loyalists.

Actually, I think the issues facing the country at that time – with war looming and the US forced to take a side – were far more serious than the current foreign aid budget. Here’s some info on the activities of the Bund, from some sources that you may well recognize:

Dr. William Pierce: (at www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs002a.html)

And from what appears to be your own group: (at www4.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/nshistory.html

So we have a group of German immigrants and people of recent German descent trying to influence the direction of US foreign policy in the direction of their homeland at a critical point in time. One would think that Pierce et al would be condemning the treacherous efforts of the dual-loyalists. What gives?

Once again: what does this have to do with WN? You are failing to understand – or weaseling around - what seems to be a relatively simple point. Demonstrating that you can include the words “multiculturalized” and “sexual deviance” in a single sentence doesn’t do it.

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Don’t even try to deny that there are non-white slums that whites can’t walk around in without being in danger. I used to live near LA. I’m glad I moved.

LoL… even though we don’t even have a labor shortage in the US, you don’t care because they work cheaply. Screw white workers, bring in the immigrants for someone to exploit. If they don’t like us bringing in cheap non-whites to exploit for labor, we’ll call them “supremacists”.

You can stay in your little melting pot of Ethiopian stew. Some people don’t want it.

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Again, not true. Who do you think built the railroads in the 1860s? The Chinese. Who do you think we imported as farm labor in the 19th century? The Japanese and Koreans. Who do you think we emplyed as farm labor after the McCarran Act locked out the Asians? Central Americans. In fact, in the Southwest, Spanish-speakers are the natives–English speakers are the immigrants.

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So, essentially, the Jews have beaten you by using a superior strategy.

It is as I said before: sour grapes.

Little confused as to cause-and-effect, are we? How’s this: if there hadn’t been a history in the U.S. of whites treating immigrants as inferior, there wouldn’t be any ethnic strife (or significantly less, at any rate). So-called demands for special treatment are, in reality, demands for equal treatment, again because of the aforementioned history of treating immigrants as inferior. You need look no further than your own imbitterment toward Jews to see how perceptions of powerelessness can translate to strife.

As for your final point, it should be obvious that when an area is economically depressed, people will strive to leave, regardless how it came to be that way.

Multi-culturalism is certainly flawed if implemented in the way it was early in this country’s history: the importing of slaves and other cheap labor. That does not, however, translate to multi-culturalism being inherently flawed, as you claim.

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Europeans have survived for thousands of years without having sex with Africans. So have Asians, for that matter.

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Once again, the facts alleged by Sionnach are completely wrong. Large numbers of Asian immigrants (Chinese and Japanese) came to America starting around the mid-1800s. Millions of Africans immigrated in the 18th-early 19th centuries under rather less voluntary circumstances. And don’t even freakin’ contemplate how Texas and the rest of the Southwest would have turned out (rather like North Dakota, I suspect) without bunches of Mexicans.

Of course, you’re also forgetting that most of the immigration restrictions in the early part of the 20th century were aimed at Eastern and Southern Europeans.

Hard work and some freakin’ gratitude. More than some people I know.

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Again, not so. Asians and Africans had little to do with each other because trade and colonization between the two continents never developed. But Europeans and their descendants have had plenty of sex with Africans and their descendants. Just ask Mary Boykin Chesnut, the noted Civil War diarist: