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Well, the newspapers in Utah arent Jewish owned…and they dont say anything differant from the rest of the world…A little more news about the LDS church perhaps(to be expected, given thier owners/readership). Are Mormons part of this conspiracy too?
Get your head out of your arse. Nobody denies anything. Its just that nobody but narrow minded bigots like yourself care what religion someone is.
Go away, little mind, go away.
And now well on it’s way to becoming the greatest train wreck in SDMB history…
Well, I’ve stayed out of this thread because I wanted to see whether Sionnach and Co. could mount any sort of coherent justification for their shared philosphy. Sorry kiddies, but you haven’t done it. I’ve read your arguments and your links and I still see no compelling reasons why anyone would want to completely separate themselves from from Jews and non-whites, and I certainly can’t find anything at all in your philosophy that appeals to me, a 48-year-old white, non-Jewish male of good European stock. What I’ve seen in this philosophy is is what I think most other readers to this thread see: fear and loathing of persons different from you in appearance or cultural heritage. No matter how you dress up your arguments, the fact that non-white, non-European folks seem to simply creep you out, keeps coming through again and again in your posts.
One strategy point for the white supremacists: you are doing very poorly at presenting yourselves as rational people, and continually allow yourselves to be sidetracked by responses that you consider personal affronts. The best arguers here in GD recognise that fact will always trump smokescreens such as ad hominem attacks and the posing of straw men, and I advise you to adopt that viewpoint if you really are interested in arguing your views here.
So far it appears that you have little or no factual support for your opinions, and hurl insults to cover up your inability to respond with reasoned rebuttal. You’d be much more effective (if not necessarily more truthful to yourselves) if you tried responding to direct questions in a dispassionate manner, and ignoring the posts you feel are baiting.
Carry on.
After watching the show “Jim Crow” on PBS last night, I feel my anger at “White Nationalists” increasing again. Nope. Have to call them supremacists. (I was thinking that’s not fair, but I don’t care right now.) If they aren’t willing to give all people the same respect, rights, and freedom here in the U.S. that they want, I’m not willing to call them by the name they prefer.
What is so wrong with people that they can’t look beyond skin color or eye shape, or religion and see that we really are all the same inside? If a person lives in the U.S. that person is a citizen with the same rights as any other. I don’t believe there is any Jewish conspiracy, blacks have as much right to live where they want as anybody else, and “voluntary segregation” is just a polite way of saying you want to be able to go back to “whites only” bathrooms and drinking fountains and towns.
No thank you.
TwistofFate- learn some manners.
The Holocaust was war propaganda that turned into Israel propaganda after the war was over. Today it is discussed and put in movies and TV endlessly, while it is much less often mentioned that jew-led Communists killed at least 20 million people in the Soviet Union. 3 reasons for this propaganda:
- White guilt means money for Israel. Suits against Germany and corporations, donations from U.S. More suits are filed every month, even today.
- “Schindler’s List” type stuff creates a “circle the wagons” mentality among your Joe Jews on the street. It’s this mentality of persecution that has kept the jews distinct for thousands of years.
- The Holocaust story makes the Nazis monstrous killers, so it allows jews and pro-jew people to silence their critics merely by calling them “Nazis.” Jews are thus immune from criticism.
I do recommend David Irving- he is a brave man who has been beaten and arrested for disagreeing with jews. Many good books on the holohoax are available at www.noontidepress.com. Also much good information at www.ihr.org.
Let’s see where to start.
Oh yes, Jews. Since I’m not in Canada, I must completely discount your first cite. Since I’m under 65, I don’t really care too much about CBS/Viacom. However, I do read a Gannett newspaper, so I looked that up for you. (just in case you’re not familiar with Gannett)
Here is their top Management:
Douglas H. McCorkindale, chairman, president and CEO
Board of Directors:
H. Jesse Arnelle
Meredith A. Brokaw
James A. Johnson
Stephen P. Munn
Donna E. Shalala
Solomon D. Trujillo
Karen Hastie Williams
Management Committee:
Thomas L. Chapple,
Richard L. Clapp,
Thomas Curley,
Paul Davidson
Craig A. Dubow,
Millicent A. Feller,
John B. Jaske,
Larry F. Miller,
Gary L. Watson,
I also get a lot of news via Associated Press.
So here are the Associated Press’s Managing Editors
President: Caesar Andrews, Gannett News Service
Vice President: Edward Jones, The Free Lance-Star, Fredericksburg, Va.
Secretary: Stuart Wilk, The Dallas Morning News
Treasurer: Walter Johns, Houston Chronicle
Journalism Studies Chair: Deanna Sands, Omaha (Neb.) World-Herald
Journalism Studies Vice Chair: Suki Dardarian, The Seattle Times
Executive Committee:
(officers above plus)
Past President: Chris Peck, Southern Methodist University
AP Executive Editor: Kathleen Carroll
AP Managing Editor: Mike Silverman
APME News Editor: Terry Bertling, San Antonio Express-News
Conference Program: Chair, Peggy Kuhr, University of Kansas
Small Newspapers: Co-chairs Sarah Jenkins, Yakima Herald-Republic, Wash., and Rich Rassmann, The Herald, Rock Hill, S.C.
Regional Programs: Lance Johnson, The Day, New London, Conn.
DIRECTORS
(Terms expiring in 2002)
Terry Scott Bertling, San Antonio Express-News
Jody Calendar, Calendar Communications
Bill Felber, The Manhattan (Kan.) Mercury
Pam Fine
Sarah Jenkins, Yakima (Wash.) Herald-Republic
David Ledford, Springfield (Mo.) News-Leader
Deanna Sands, Omaha (Neb.) World-Herald
Stuart Wilk, The Dallas Morning News
(Terms expiring in 2003)
Andy Chapelle, The Ann Arbor (Mich.) News
Suki Dardarian, The Seattle Times
Walter Johns Jr., Houston Chronicle
Everett J. Mitchell II, The Detroit News
Laura Sellers-Earl, East Oregonian Publishing Co.
Karen Magnuson, Rochester (N.Y.) Democrat& Chronicle
George Stanley, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Rich Rassmann, The Herald, Rock Hill, S.C.
(Terms expiring in 2004)
Ronnie Agnew, The Clarion-Ledger, Jackson, Miss.
Peggy Kuhr, University of Kansas
Carol Nunnelley, APME National Credibility Roundtables Project
David Yarnold, San Jose Mercury News
Henry A. Stokes, The Commercial Appeal, Memphis, Tenn.
Lance Johnson, The Day, New London, Conn.
Richard Luna, The Indianapolis Star
Scott Angus, The Janesville (Wis.) Gazette
AP / APME Projects Director
Mark Mittelstadt, AP, New York
So I’m not too impressed with your “Jews control the media” argument.
You other cites:
For some reason Rushton does not even mention that article you cited on his own site which definitely makes me go “hmmmm”. Therefore even if I were inclined to believe Rushton, I have no way of verifying your cite, so unfortunately, it’s out.
Your “Color of Crime” cite can not be verified, as not only does the author give the wrong site as the source for his numbers, but the numbers for the years cited are not on the site. So that source is out.
Though your “Cost of Immigration” cite is interesting. Apparently Dr. Huddle some questionable methodology. His paper was argued by Dr. Jeffrey S. Passel, (1994). “Immigrants and taxes: A reappraisal of Huddle’s ‘The cost of immigrants’.”, Passel comes to the opposite conclusion of Huddle.
As does Economist Julian Simon
Thus your source isn’t verifiable by peer review, sorry, you lose that one too.
I’m still going through Jerry’s page to see if he has a point. I don’t see one yet, but I’ll let you know.
As for some of your other concerns: Black on white crime not making headlines. What about the “wilding” incident (now in doubt), or Reginald Denny (two men sentenced to jail), or the Hassidic Jew in New York in the car accident, or Ronald Taylor and these are just off the top of my head.
This one seems to bother you a lot. So now you can rest easier. MSU has these clubs as registered student organizations: Italian, Ukranian, Armenian, Polish, French, European, and many, many Christian clubs.
Hitler: a politician who stood up to the jews and removed them from his country with the intent that they live elsewhere. He has been caricatured as “evil” incarnate by the jew media and educational institutions for this reason; no one must ever stand up to the jews again.
Black poverty: someone claimed that at the same income level, blacks and whites commit the same level of crime. Being within driving distance of Washington DC and rural West Virginia, I don’t believe that for a second. Show some cites. Further, even if it were true, blacks create poverty. Check a world map and tell me- who is “holding down” Uganda?
Small frontal lobes + high testosterone = laziness + violent crime = poverty.
Lightstrand points out a segment in Rushton’s article where he says that there are exceptions to his rule about race and brain size. I say that this is correct and something we should remember. I was too general when I spoke in terms of “blacks” “whites” and “asians” but I did so for convenience.
Jew media control. Jews do control the media, mintygreen, and if you read “Who Rules America,” available at www.natall.com, you will see. Now if you say “the National Alliance is antisemitic,” I’m afraid we’re at an impasse. Every source that says the jews control the media can be defined as antisemitic. Instead of labeling, read it and check the facts for yourself. www.wcotc.com has good links on this, too.
So you are telling me, Halogen, that my Great-Uncle a white, Luthern guy from MI, who served in the Army during WWII. Who told us the story of being marched double-time for two days, and seeing “the bodies piled up like cord-wood” for miles outside the town was lying to me?
He never once watched a Holocost movie, or read an article about it. He talked about once “for history” shortly before he died, because “no one can understand, no one can believe.”
So I am to believe you, and disbelive him, when he was at the liberation of Baden Baden?
No disrespect intended here, but a debate on the merits of Holocaust denial would be worthy of a thorough discussion in a thread dedicated to that subject. Rather than hijack this one, could I ask Halogen, light strand, and anyone else who’s interested to start a new thread? I would, of course, be happy to participate myself, but don’t have time today to put together a worthy OP.
Jew led Communists? Stalin, Jew led? Are you for real? It wasn’t a barrel of laughs being Jewish in Stalin’s Russia you know.
No David Irving is/was a important historian who got lost somewhere along the line. His fall has been quite spectacular.
The Irving libel trial but then again you probably believe that the British judicary are Jew led aswell.
What a great system you have. You decide something works one way and if people disagree it’s all the Jews fault and there is this sinister Jewish plot behind everything.
So tell me after the holocaust “story” and the “fact” that the Jews were to be moved out of the country WHERE DID THEY GO?
I mean are there 6million really old Jews hiding somewhere in Eastern Europe still playing a really long game of Hide&Seek?
http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.org/ieindex.html
Halogen, if the holocaust didn’t happen, what was Auschwitz used for? Were all the pictures on this site falsified? Auschwitz You accuse us “liberals” of willful blindness when you are the one suffering from it, not us.
I would like to invite Halogen to DC, so that he can visit the National Holocaust Museum. There he will find abundant proof of the reality of the Holocaust; clothing, diaries, first person recollections, photographs, film shot by the US liberators of death camps and later used as evidence at trials of Nazi officials.
I don’t understand why anti-Semites like Halogen and his confreres deny the Holocaust. One would think that the WNs would bust their buttons in pride at the deaths of six million Jewish men, women, and children. It seems to me that it would be more honest for the WNs to say, “Yes, the Holocaust happened, we’re glad it happened, and we’'re only sorry Hitler let any Jews get away.”
Really!
Boys and girls trying to exchange with the Arian Supremacy Delusion crowd; you’re wasting your time. Ask them about their personal lives. Debate their daily misery. Debate their psychosis, because that is all it is.
Delusions, psychotic fear of anything perceived as difference, desperate feelings of inferiority to society that takes an outlet in conspiratorial lunacy, feelings of alienation and disenchantment that need to be explained by something else than the simple fact of their unfortunate situation in life or incapacity to function creatively… or maybe they just have smaller frontal lobes and too much testosterone, what do I know?
What I do know for certain is that the debate is useless, I’ve spent years talking to them and the factual debate never goes anywhere, the only thing that helps is befriending them and helping them meet the world as it really is. They have to see and experience - get over their fears and start loving themselves. Recuperate the years when they went sidewinder and left the real world for Nazi dreamland after realizing that they hated themselves. Because that is where the original hatred is really directed and then turned around into hatred for imagined enemies that they think have put them in the place they hate and forced them to be what they despise, hopeless jobs without a future.
I’ll repeat it; any discussion about fact is useless. Actually it’s quite sad, because it really is a form of social emotional disorder enhanced through dynamics of group psychology to psychotic levels.
It’s a disease and it needs a cure, but you are not providing it, unfortunately an MB can’t provide that, because what they really need is a big hug and a little compassion, a smidgeon of success in life and some sunshine to get that pale skin towards a healthier hue of brown or beige. More than anything they need to experience the world that we others live in, the one where the threats are not perceived delusions and not everything is a struggle.
Sparc
Yeah, and one of my aunt’s good friends just had a bunch of numbers tattooed on his arm for shits and giggles. Sure.
:rolleyes:
gobear-we must be psychic-I was thinking this same exact thing as I was taking my shower last night. I mean, wouldn’t they WANT the Holocaust to have happened?
I would think that those who were horrified would be the ones who want to deny it-wishful thinking? But no, we cannot.
To follow on from Light Strand, my father fought as an infantryman in Europe, entering France in November '44 and fighting across France, Belgium and Germany through the end of the war in Europe. Among notable actions, he was in one of the first units to cross the Remagen Bridge in early 1945, and helped rescue several people thrown into the Rhine when the bridge collapsed several days later.
Shortly before he died, I asked him to set down some of his military reminiscences on tape. I asked him his opinion on the truth or otherwise concerning death camps. He said his unit had come across at least four such camps containing emaciated civilians during his service. When pressed for details he refused, saying that a) he had no intention of reliving the horrors he saw there and b) that he was personally certain from his experiences that there was a concerted effort by the Nazis to exterminate European Jews during the war. I see no reason to doubt this opinion, especially since my father was something of a bigot (to him all blacks were lazy and all Jews cheap and insular, although not nearly the threat to civilization that Halogen seems to assume).
Oh, yeah, and I’ll ask a question of Halogen: would you say that my father, and Light Strand’s Great-uncle, fought on the wrong side in WWII? Just curious, and a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will do.
While minty is probably correct that the topic of the Shoah deserves its own thread (although only in the sense that the “moon landing hoax” deserved a thread to laugh at the misguided souls that believe that), this statement is a clear falsehood that needs to be addressed:
There was no wartime propaganda regarding the death camps. In fact, while the complete extent of the tragedy was not revealed until after the war, the information that was known by the Allied military leaders and intelligence units was generally suppressed so as to avoid “distracting” from the war effort. To claim that it was “war propaganda” is simply (one more) deliberate falsehood. The concentation camps and work camps were known and used in anti-Nazi messages, but the existence of the death camps was concealed from the general public until the GIs started reporting what they had seen.
One question for halogen. What’s your opinion on the “Protocols of Zion?”
by Lightstrand may have given the wrong impression. Here’s a more accurate picture.
The jew-made movie “Network” was all about an ARAB conspiracy in the U.S. to take over all the American media outlets and then control Americans’ thinking. In the movie, the main character famously said at one point “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it anymore!”
This is the list that made me say “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it anymore!” All individuals named below are ethnically jewish- that is, they may be atheists but their mothers were jews.
Michael Silverman, managing editor of the AP, directs its day to day operations. The executive editor of AP is, or was, Jonathan Wolman.
Sumner Redstone: CEO of Viacom (VP- Mel Karmazin), which owns MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, Infinity Broadcasting, Prentice Hall, Simon and Schuster Publishing, Blockbuster Video, BET, Showtime, and more.
Michael Eisner: CEO of Disney, which owns the Disney Channel, Walt Disney Studios (Joe Roth), ABC, Touchstone Pictures, Miramax (Weinstein brothers), Hollywood Pictures and Caravan Pictures (Roger Birnbaum), ESPN (Steve Bornstein)
Edgar Bronfman: VP of Entertainment at Vivendi-Universal. Universal Studios, Polygram Records.
AOL Time Warner: Gerald Levin (former CEO, replaced by Parsons). CNN, CBS, Warner Bros Studios, Castle Rock Entertainment, New Line Cinema. Publishing division headed by Norman Pearlstine runs Time, Sports Illustrated, People and Fortune magazines. Novack is in line for Case’s job as Chairman here.
Steven Spielberg, Aaron Spelling, Aaron Sorkin, Katzenberg, David Geffen, Mort Zuckerman, Donald Graham (Washington Post, Parade), Peter Kann (WSJ)…
So a conspiracy is not necessary. Instead, there is a consensus among these men and women that multiculturalism/feminism/atheism is a good thing and that the US must accept it. Similar to McDonald’s, which is doing its “Black365” program right out in the open. BTW, the CEO of McDonalds is a jew- Jack Greenberg.
Photopat: I think that the Protocols were a forgery but they were written by an antisemite who truly understood the jewish agenda.
I’m going to go be gay now, 'cause I can. God bless America!
Thank you.
Esprix